Why Style is the Ultimate Business Strategy: How to Use Your Wardrobe to Make More Money with Samantha Harman

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>> Wo0: Welcome to don't fucking Tell me what to Wear or how to

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run my business. This is the

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Woopod.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Men don't need handbags. men have pockets

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where they can just put their stuff and go out and be hands free in the

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world. We have all of this extra shit that we have to carry around with

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us, both physically and, mentally.

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>> Wo0: I'm your host, Wendy Gannon, but most people call me

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Woo. I'm a photographer, adhder,

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female advocate, and let's be honest, an all

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round legend. Can you tell I didn't write this

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script?

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This podcast is part of Female5Million, a

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movement founded to empower women to step the up,

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take control and unapologetically own their

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space. It all started

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with some fucking Jebin's LinkedIn post

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spouting some sexist bullshit about how women should dress

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to succeed in business. And you know what?

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Stuff like that really fucks me

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off. It really fucks me off.

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So I posted about it. And that post ignited

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something bigger. A nationwide photography project,

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a full blown fucking movement. And now this

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podcast here on the Woopod,

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we're raising the voices of women who refuse to be told what to

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do. Women who are done playing by the rules and are now

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saying, don't fucking tell me what to wear or how to run my

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business. If you've ever been told to tone it down,

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dress more appropriately or. Or run your business like a

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man, fuck that.

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Expect raw, unfiltered conversations with women

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who have fought through sexism, abuse and

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outdated patriarchal bullshit to build success on their terms.

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all whilst wearing whatever the fuck they want.

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Oh, and there's more swearing than our producer is willing to

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beep out. Sorry, buckers. Speaking of

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which, you'll probably hear me ask producer Bacchus to chime

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in from time to time, because like I give a shit

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what she says. We've both got adhd. We bounce well off each

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other. Deal it. We're here

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to celebrate women doing business their way and shine a spotlight

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on the incredible ways women are fighting back and lifting each other

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up. Because to be honest, that's what it's all about.

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And for those who aren't able to speak up right now,

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for whatever reason. I see you.

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Okay, let's crack on then.

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Hello and welcome to

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the you don't tell me what to wear or how to

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run my business podcast, the first

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series of the Woo Pod. And today

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I am very pleased to

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introduce the Queen

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herself, Samantha Harman.

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Hi, Sam. hi,

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how are you?

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>> Samantha Harmon: My great casting there. Just me going

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I mean, this is.

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>> Wo0: What Most of our WhatsApps are, right?

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>> Samantha Harmon: This is our WhatsApp apart. Or Wendy saying

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what I now describe as a Wendy word, which

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is a very serious swear

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word. It's most. That's most of

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our. That's most of our conversation.

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>> Wo0: Or as Wendy would say, you're a.

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So, Sam, who are you and what do you do

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for those people that like that one person that doesn't

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know.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Who doesn't know me. Rude.

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God. I am, a. I don't like

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to use the word personal stylist because

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that is not what I do. And it actually

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makes me annoyed when people make

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assumptions about what it is that I do.

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So I am a woman

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who helps other women feel empowered and make

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money through their wardrobe. Because your

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wardrobe is not closed. It is the physical

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manifestation of how you feel about yourself. It's

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all of your hopes, your dreams, your desires, the things that

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you've put on your one day list, the person you

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wanted to become, but you never quite are all of

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that in a box in your room

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that essentially we've been made

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to feel like is really

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disempowering. I mean, show me a woman, the kind

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of women who haven't worked with me yet, who

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actually loves her wardrobe. Because for most of

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us, wardrobe is stressful,

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frustrating, a horrible place to be.

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And that is. That is patriarchy in action. They made it,

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they designed it that way. They want us to feel like that

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about our wardrobe. So then we'll feel that way about ourselves.

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So then we won't have the energy and the money and

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the motivation to actually change the things that really need

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changing or slay.

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So I'm a slayer of patriarchy, essentially.

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>> Wo0: And we are going to go into that a lot deeper in a

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minute. But why, Sam, why did you get involved

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with female 5 million?

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>> Samantha Harmon: Because, Wendy,

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I, From a personal perspective, I

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think you are phenomenal. Of course.

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And I've seen you work

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with women. And I. I think that you

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and I are quite aligned on our mission. Ah.

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And on also importantly, how we make

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women feel. And I have watched you

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photograph women, and I've watched you on the

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shoot. The way that you were able to

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innately understand immediately what each

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woman needed from you in that moment was

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just watching genius in action. Honestly, I

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don't think. I don't think many people are living

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into their genius. We have areas of competence,

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sure, because we've grown up in a world that says,

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get skills in this thing and then get a job doing that

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thing. And You'll. You'll kind of enjoy it. You'll be good

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at it because you're competent at it. Not many people

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are actually living out their genius. And I

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really do feel that you are living

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your genius. What you do is. What you do is your

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genius. So I've got

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a lot of admiration for you, not just because of that, but

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also because I know that you are someone

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who is incredibly authentic. What you see

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is what you get. And again, that is not something

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that women are allowed to do.

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Like, we're not. We're not allowed to just be ourselves.

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You are yourself in every scenario I've ever witnessed you

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in. What you see is what you get. And

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sometimes people are like, this is a lot. Right? Like, this is

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a. But it's. I think it is

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triggering to them in a way, because it is showing them something that

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they've never been allowed to be. Yeah. and also

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you have come through so much stuff. And when we see

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women that we think of as loud,

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confident, empowered, we often just

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assume that they were made that way. Oh, it's all right

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for her. She's just so confident. That's not the story

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here at all. Like, you've been forged

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in fire, essentially. Of all the. That you've been

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through and now you use that to

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empower other women. That is just.

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That's phenomenal.

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>> Wo0: So much. can we also

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just like, shout out Forged in Fire. What a great programme that

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is.

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So Sam, the. The styling

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strategist, who's also.

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Who's come around and done my wardrobe. And then we went

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shopping the other day, didn't we?

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>> Samantha Harmon: We have the best day. It was honestly one of my favourite

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days of the year, honestly.

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>> Wo0: Oh, this is what it's like to be my friend.

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I love you and so

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can you. And I know you can tell us

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how clothing is, like, different to men and women and

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how it relates and how that relates to women in the

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workplace.

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>> Samantha Harmon: We are held to a completely

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different standard. It is exhausting. There

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are studies that show that the way that women are judged

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on what they wear is far and beyond

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the way that men are judged on what they wear. I've experienced it

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myself, being a woman in a male dominated

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industry. I have clients who've experienced it.

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We see it on a wider stage as well. We see it

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in media. The way that we speak about women is very different to the

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way that we speak about men. And also

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in corporate environments, especially women are

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already decades behind because we have not

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been allowed to be in

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leadership or in certain roles. Or even have

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the finances to create businesses for

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ourselves. So we're already starting way

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behind men. And, we are

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also marketed to in a completely different

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way than men are marketed to. Men

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actually spend more money on their clothes than women.

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But that, that fact does not sit

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with the patriarchal narrative that women are silly

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and frivolous and don't know what to do with their money. Because if

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women actually realised how much they do

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know what to do with their money, imagine what could

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change in the world. If women actually had the resources

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and the power, to make stuff happen that we wanted to make happen,

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that would be, that would, that would really

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threaten patriarchy. So it's very important for

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patriarchy that women feel disempowered about what to

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wear. Because if you feel disempowered about what

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to wear, you don't have the

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brain, strength and, resource to question the

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things that really need questioning. Because you're spending

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all of this time stood in front of a wardrobe

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of fast fashion that was made by the

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exploitation of, ironically, other women.

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>> Wo0: Yep.

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>> Samantha Harmon: And you just don't have the capacity to

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do the things that really need doing in the world.

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>> Wo0: There's. I remember you telling me, I think

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it was on a LinkedIn live on audio

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thing. Was it, was it

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Australian or New Zealand news readers?

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>> Samantha Harmon: Yeah, Canadian. Canadian news readers.

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>> Wo0: Not. Nowhere near this year.

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Somewhere, Somewhere in the world.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Somewhere out there in the world. Actually, the first person who did

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it was an Australian newsreader. He wore the same

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suit for a year. No one, no one

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noticed. And, then earlier this year,

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Canadian newsreaders decided to do the same experiment.

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So male newsreaders and female newsreaders

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wore the same outfit on repeat. No one

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noticed when the men did it, but when the women did it, people

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actually complained. And you're telling me we're not held to a

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different standard? Okay

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then. Okay.

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>> Wo0: I think it's like with sizing as well. Right. I, I

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was actually. Because I'm not a small, I'm, I'm not

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massive, but I'm probably average.

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Right. Actually, I'm probably the average

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size woman and I always

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struggle to buy clothes

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that fit me, that make me feel nice,

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especially jeans. And I was actually

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really happy

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when we did go shopping that I

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came out with some stuff. However,

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I did come out with like the biggest size they

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did. And I'm an average

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size woman.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Like, it's ridiculous.

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>> Wo0: It's so dumb.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Yeah, but it's all, of course, women, men's

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sizing. If a man Is like a size, I don't know,

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42 or he has like a 17 inch neck.

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He can go into a shop and buy a shirt that is

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42 or 17 inch neck or whatever.

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Women are, ah, subjected to all of these different

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sizes that aren't standardised. And

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then the other thing is that with

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sizing, it really winds me up how we're like, we

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call a size 16, 18 plus

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size, when actually that's not, that's, that's

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average. Then you go into a shop, has a size,

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I know 18 women, you can't find anything because

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guess what, those sizes are already gone. Because that is the

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average size.

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>> Wo0: But also because the people who are

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smaller are now buying sizes bigger. because that's

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fashion at the moment, is to get oversized clothes.

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Leave my clothes alone, girls.

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Like, what the am I supposed to do?

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I can't go smaller.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Weigh your own size, damn it in actually interesting in terms

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of sizing, there was a petition a little while

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ago to standardised sizing. So they

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tried to standardise sizing in America, a

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few decades ago. I don't. It's in my book.

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Okay. Humble ground plan. Are you writing a book?

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Surprise, I'm writing the book. It's in my

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book. But that they tried to

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standardise. It didn't work. And a few years ago

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there was a petition here to standardise, sizing,

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but the government said that. It isn't anything

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to do with the government, but I actually

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think it kind of is. Because if this

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is taking up space in women's

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days that they don't have because they're already doing

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all of this extra domestic labour, they're already

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suffering from the motherhood penalty. They already have less money

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and we are telling them through

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psychological warfare marketing to spend more of that money

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they don't have on. They don't need like tampons,

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right? Like all of this stuff that we, that we are told

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that we need and even, you

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know, handbags are a massive example of this.

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Because conveniently, if we make, if we make clothes where

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women can't put stuff in their pockets and yet women

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are actually unsafe in the world that we live in. As,

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scary as it is, we all subconsciously walk out

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of the front door in the morning and think, oh, have I. I need to make sure

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I've got my phone. I need to make sure someone knows where I am. I need to make sure I

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get that before it gets too dark because I could potentially

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be in danger. So therefore we need all this stuff. So we need handbags

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how convenient. That's an extra industry

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that isn't really marketed at, men. Men don't

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need handbags. Men have pockets

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where they can just put their stuff and go out and be hands

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free in the world. And so we have all of this

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extra shit that we have to carry around with us, both

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physically and mentally.

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And then we are exhausted.

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>> Wo0: I'm exhausted just thinking about it, mate.

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>> Samantha Harmon: I'm, angry. That's what I am.

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>> Wo0: I can see it in your face.

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Pockets.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Pockets are a lesson in patriarchy, honestly.

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Yeah, like, just look at the history of pockets. You will

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see, even today, the, the average woman's

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pocket can't fit a phone in it. And yet we

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live in a world that is not physically safe to be

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a woman.

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>> Wo0: Also, the average woman's hand doesn't fit

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a phone in it because they're made for men.

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Like, if you like.

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>> Samantha Harmon: I mean, I've got big. Oh, look at these flippers.

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>> Wo0: Hey, you know what I say

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about girls with big hands? They can hold their phones.

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So Jo Phillips was on previous podcasts

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along with her talk. She's like. She starts her talk by

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saying, right, everybody, if you could just take a

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selfie. And all the men can

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do it really easily. And all the women are, like, really struggling

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because it's not made for their hands. so you

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can't fit a phone that's not made for your hand in

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a pocket that's not big enough for

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it because you have a vagina.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Yep.

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>> Wo0: Or present as female.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Yep. Yep. You're. Yeah, exactly. You're

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punished for that.

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>> Wo0: So rude. So you work mainly

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with women? Only with

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women.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Exclusively with women,

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whether they are, you know, all types of women.

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Right. But I think I.

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I have actually

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been criticised by men

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for just talking to women. And I'm like, brian, me

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too. Get off my content, okay? Like, this

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isn't for you. And the reason is because,

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number one, I understand the emotional baggage that women

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have with their wardrobes, because I've been through it. Right. As

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I was saying before about confidence, I think sometimes it's

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really easy to look at other women who we perceive as

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confident and just go, well, it's all right for her, she's

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confident. It's not that at all. I actually had a very

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terrible relationship with myself for

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many, many years. My wardrobe was

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a place of complete disempowerment. So I get it

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from being a woman in that

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way, but also because we are so. We are

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behind in a lot of perspectives in terms of

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work and money and, like, Motherhood, penalty and

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all of this stuff that I,

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I just don't unfortunately, have the time. Even though

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I, I understand that men have their own issues.

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I just can't. I. I can't do anything about that right now, lads.

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Yeah, like, let me sort out patriarchy and that will

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benefit all of us. Let me sort out

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disempowerment of women's wardrobes. And

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then.

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>> Wo0: So. So the women that you work with, are there any common

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themes that come up when you work with of them?

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>> Samantha Harmon: yeah, that they are. Do you know what

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they are? They are highly intelligent,

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highly

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successful, very

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clever, empowered,

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passionate women who

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cannot own that themselves. So a lot of the. A lot of

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the clients that I work with, they are very high up

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in big corporations or they are,

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ah, running their own very successful

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businesses. But there is a disconnect

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between the success on the outside and how they feel

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about themselves on the inside. And it's

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almost like they can put on armour, and,

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go out into the world, but on the

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inside they don't have that level of, like,

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self love. And that's the thing that

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makes the difference. How you feel about yourself is

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the most important thing. That's a

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relationship that you need to work on, is

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how you feel about yourself. And often also,

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they have, like, money. Money and wardrobe.

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There's a massive link between those two things. So I can look

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in someone's wardrobe and see exactly what's happening in terms

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of their money mindset. And often I'll have clients

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who will come to work with me because they have

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found themselves, as an example of one of my clients,

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very successful. She was

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f. She found herself buying stuff for her kids. She got

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kids. She was buying them stuff in Selfridges, like,

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nice designer stuff. And then she found herself on

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the same trip in Primark buying

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stuff for herself. And she is like, hang on a

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second. This has got to change.

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I've got to change my relationship with

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myself. and not just for the

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benefit of herself, but obviously everyone else in her life

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as well. Although I think that there's too much

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for women, there's too much of that using other people

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as the reason or the motivation to look after

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yourself. It's like, oh, well, I'm doing it because

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you can't pour from an empty cup. Yeah, but,

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Susan, you should just be able to enjoy yourself just

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because you can. Like, you deserve to. You are a

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human as much as anybody else on this

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planet. You deserve to feel good about yourself

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just because regardless of who

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else you are supporting in your

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Life.

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>> Wo0: Do you know what I hate? There's

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not many things that I hate. I hate

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that if I'm not feeling

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confident in my body, then people

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like make me. They shame me for not being

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body confident. Like, it's

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hard enough, like living in this

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body and having body dysmorphia and

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like, lots and lots of work. Look, we've done

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therapy. It's good, it's wonderful.

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But, you know, there's still some things

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that we don't particularly like about ourselves. I

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know we shouldn't say it. And like, if

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I don't, then, like, people make me feel like because I

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just said something negative or I

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see myself in a certain way, which, you know, has

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probably been beaten into me. like, you know, but

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you know what I mean? Like, can we just let

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everybody live?

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>> Samantha Harmon: Do you mean that they will say to you, oh, no, just

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because. Just love yourself.

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>> Wo0: Yeah. And it's not. It's, yeah, like on Instagram and stuff

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like that. Yeah, just love yourself. I'm trying

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really hard. I do. I think I'm great. But there's like,

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everybody's got hang ups, right? And it's that when they make you

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feel bad for having hang ups.

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No, you just making it

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worse.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Yeah. I think it's really important to

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acknowledge that. I know, I, you know, I don't think it's

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necessarily helpful. I actually had a client the other day where we

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had this conversation where she was talking about this, about her body.

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And I said to her, I'm not gonna say to you, I'll just love

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yourself, girl. Just get over it. Like, we have to do all of

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the undoing. Of course you feel this way about yourself

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because society's made it that way and we

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can't just kind of brush over it and just go, no, just love

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yourself. Like, we have to acknowledge the nuance

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and the, the complexity

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and the multifaceted nature of

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just being a human. And there's a lot of stuff as well

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on that in terms of you not being

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able to like, enjoy style and

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also be an intelligent person.

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I'm a highly intelligent person.

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Okay, so, like, I'm a highly intelligent person

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who's writing a book and I love

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shoes. Like, it doesn't make me. In fact, I actually think it

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makes me more intelligent to decide to opt out of this

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shitty system where we normalise women saying, oh my

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God, I hate myself. Oh, I hate myself too. Oh, let's be friends.

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Oh, I really like her because she hates herself. Like, it makes,

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I think it actually makes me More intelligent to say, you know

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what? I'm not going to waste my time with this. I'm actually going

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to, be over here doing my own thing. Because that's

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just feeding into the.

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>> Wo0: It's just boring. Like,

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just.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Yeah. Like, why do we. It's like women. It's

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like female martyrdom. And it's so

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insidious that often it

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will come up and, like, I will

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sometimes still, if I have a certain feeling or thought

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about another woman, I'm good now at being like, that's

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interesting. Why do I feel that way about that

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person? But I don't think all women,

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unfortunately, have that. We just go, oh, she's

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a right. Like, she's a. She's confident. So

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she's a. I'm just gonna.

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Yeah, it's that.

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>> Wo0: So bit of advice from me is if there's anyone

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toxic in your life, just them off.

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Like, I've literally done that. And

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it's wonderful. like, get some good people

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around you, like producer

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Buckers and Sam

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Harman. Sam, we're

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gonna be working together, right? I mean, by the time this

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comes out, we will be working together.

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>> Samantha Harmon: We will be working together. Yes.

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We. We have a very similar ethos

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in. First of all, I think, like, our

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stories are similar in terms of, like, the way that we

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felt about ourselves, the journey that we've been on. And I think that's

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why women get so much from working with us, because we actually

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truly understand it. If I have a client who's saying to

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me, they're crying in a changing room, you don't.

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Like, I've. I've been there. Okay. And even

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more recently, which producer bucket will test you? I've

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got myself stuck in stuff in Zara, and I've had to be.

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She's had to, like, rescue me from, like, an

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XL in Zara. I'll be like, I'm stuck.

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Like, I get it. I get what it's like, and you

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get what it's like. And we've

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had some clients who we've worked separately

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with who've got phenomenal results from

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working with us. So we thought, why don't

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we just. Why don't we work together?

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>> Wo0: Why, don't we just put it together?

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>> Samantha Harmon: Why don't we just get together? Girl,

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Yass, make it happen.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, we're gonna do good things.

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We're gonna do the best things.

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>> Samantha Harmon: What's it gonna be?

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>> Wo0: What's.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Is it a. Like a double whammy

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package? Give us the. Give us the headlines. Or is

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it exclusive? Top secret.

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>> Wo0: I mean. Well, it won't be by the time this comes out. It has been top

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secret.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Yeah. So we're working together, essentially. We are.

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Basically, what will happen is if you want

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to really have style that helps you make money

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in your business and photography that helps you to make money. Because

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it does, right? Having professional brand photography gives your

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brand an extra level of

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zing and pep, I want to say,

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right? It gives. Put some pep in your step,

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extra level of power. Because

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it's like, I'm serious about my business, so I invest

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in getting good quality photographs. It's

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just. It's taking you to the next level rather than you

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constantly being on the hamster wheel of competing with

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other people. There's no competition when you're a market of

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one. So Wendy and I will help you

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be that market of one so that your

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clients are only coming to you. They're not going, oh, well, she's a

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bit cheaper, so I'll go over there. Or maybe I'll go to that

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per.

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>> Wo0: No, the amount of people that come back to

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me after, because I'm not the cheapest, and I get

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that. But the amount of people that come back to

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me after they've had their photos done by

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somebody cheaper because they

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weren't like the photos that I

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take, This sounds so egotistical, doesn't

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it?

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>> Samantha Harmon: Nope.

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>> Wo0: Does it not? Okay, good. Like, and

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also, people think that they're, as you said before,

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Sam, like, not confident. I'm not confident. Like those

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women you took photos of, girl, those women

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were not confident until they worked with me and

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got those photos. And then, like, because it's like a. Like

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a staircase, right? You work with me, you get confident, you

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see your photos, you get more confident, people see your photos until you have

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amazing. You look even more confident. And then flying.

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It's just, It just makes me so happy.

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We're just so good at what we do. Anyway,

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back to the patriarchy, Sam,

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let's blow smoke up our own asses.

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What do you wish you knew about being a woman in

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business when you first started?

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>> Samantha Harmon: I do. You know what? Something.

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Do you know? Okay, this. I don't want this to

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sound negative, right?

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But I wish that I

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had had the capacity not

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to give in to that sense of female

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martyrdom where it's like, I'm running a business,

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but it must always be of service to everybody else

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at my own detriment. So, as you know, Wendy, I've had

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some experiences in this last year

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where. Because I, am the type of woman who

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genuine genuinely supports other women. Right.

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>> Wo0: I've seen it with my own eyes.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Seen it with our own eyes. Right. My long term business

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purpose is that, I want to

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have the resources so that I can

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support, because I actually do some of this anyway mentoring.

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I want to support particularly young women from

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backgrounds like what I came from because I come from what you

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might call a disadvantaged background. Right. I've seen a lot

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of, at a, young age

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and being able to

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then do what I did, especially becoming a

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newspaper editor at a time when there were no female newspaper editors.

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I was the first one. 160 years. Like

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that's big. At the time, right. At the time I didn't

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really recognise how big that is. But my

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long term vision for my business is not about me, it's about

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helping those kids.

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Regardless of whether I ever have my like, own children or. I think

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there's different ways of doing stuff for the next

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generation. And every

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day that I get up and I'm not there

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doing that stuff is a day that I'm like, I've got to fucking get on with

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this more. And part of that is really genuinely

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supporting other women in business. So as part of that

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I'm quite vocal about it. And whilst there are

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women who are very appreciative and it's a very give

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and take relationship where we all support each other.

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Unfortunately this year I have been taken

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advantage of massively by

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people who see that and I think

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just expect. They expect it of you. They, they expect.

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Because you are a woman who supports women and you're vocal

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about it, you are supposed to just give up a lot of your

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time. How dare you not give this to me? Even though I'm also

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a privileged. From, their perspective, they're privileged white

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woman who has all the trappings of whatever

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that you know. But you need to be giving me your time for

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free. And I, I don't. I wish that

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I'd had the.

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I wish I'd had the power to

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say actually no and

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have more boundaries than I've had.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Because I don't think men, I don't think people take advantage of men in

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this way. In the same way I don't think people are expecting men

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to give back. There's a lot of successful men who I

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know and I see on LinkedIn not one

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of them is having to constantly

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justify why they're in business. You know,

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oh, I'm doing this and I'm making money. But this bigger

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long term plan is that I'm Going to give back to charity. I don't see

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many of them doing the stuff like what you're doing here right now with this

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whole project. But I know countless

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women who are doing a lot of good stuff and

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having to feel like they're being vocal about it

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so that they can almost justify being a

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woman in business. Like, if men make money, that's

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fine.

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>> Wo0: Yeah. Like, I felt like I had to justify to a

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man why he shouldn't steal my work.

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And, like, yeah, I don't.

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Yeah, I'm sorry. And then you

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gaslit me to make it. Make it

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my fault that I dared to send you

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an invoice for

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stealing my work.

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>> Samantha Harmon: What's that, Wendy? Yeah. What happened? Ah, this

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happened.

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>> Wo0: So somebody, a man, stole

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one of my photos because there were some

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people who were taught doing talks and stuff.

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And I'm like, you can use my photos

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with my watermark on. As long as you credit me,

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you can use them for free. I'm more than happy.

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Anyway, this guy

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took the photo of Rowena, cropped

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out my logo and put it on his sales

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page of his, like, six

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grand course.

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And then when I said something about

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it, he got really pissy. And it's like, we're supposed to be mates. I'm like, well, yeah, mates

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don't steal from mates. But it ended up.

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It's my fault. It's my fault for daring to

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say something about it, like, don't

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steal.

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>> Samantha Harmon: But you weren't even saying that he couldn't use it. You were just saying,

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use it, but credit me.

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>> Wo0: Right? And that's. That's the whole thing. But, yeah,

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but he. But because he cropped off my logo and he didn't credit

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me, and he blatantly just stole it and, put it on a page that I

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would not see it, really. I sent

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an invoice to him,

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worked out there's like a photographer's

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calculator. And, yeah, he did

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not like it. and blocked me. And.

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>> Samantha Harmon: And he blocked me, too.

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>> Wo0: And then all of his friends blocked us as well.

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>> Samantha Harmon: He basically blocked anyone who's like an actual

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feminine, like, feminist icon, because clearly

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women, powerful women threaten him.

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And what happened? Did he take it down? Is he still using it?

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>> Wo0: It's. Yeah, he's taking it down.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Okay.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, like this. This happens all the time.

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It's. It's honestly ridiculous.

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So now on every single one of my

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photos, metadata, it is on

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there that if you use this photo without

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permission or without crediting me or you

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crop it or edit it, then you will be sent a name for

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it. So there's no. No mistaking

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it there. People

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rude like, like, it's not

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my fault. Just like, how dare I.

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How dare I firstly say, see that you've stolen.

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And then how dare I tell you that you've stolen?

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And then how bloody dare I want compensation for

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my work?

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>> Samantha Harmon: How dare you ask to be paid for your stuff. That's so.

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Is honestly a recurring theme. And even though

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that's a man, this happens with women. Like,

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women. Women don't like women who make

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money or talk about making money. And the other day I saw a post

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I'd put. Actually, one of my clients saw it. I posted about

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how I had this weekend where I'd made X amount of money.

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And the reason I posted it was because, number one, I think it's

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important for. To. For us to have examples of

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women making money and talking about money.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Secondly, because it was like, this is how I did it.

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These are, ah, this will help you the same way I've

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not just like, I've been doing this for three fucking years.

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Like, it's not. I'm not. It's not an overnight

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success, right? And, one of my clients saw a post

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from someone else who'd seen my post and

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clearly didn't like it and then did some, like, bitchy, sad

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post about the post. But in the post

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she'd said something about, oh, so you can buy

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handbags. And that pissed me off because I.

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>> Wo0: Thought, I haven't got pockets, I have to buy a handbag.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Like, handbags are a symbolism, for women, not men,

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because men don't have to buy handbags. They're not required to buy

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handbags because they don't have to carry around all the. That we have to carry around.

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So her post was a dig at other women. And I think if you

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have that kind of problem with other women

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making money, take that to your journal, do not take it

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to LinkedIn because you are damaging all of us.

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Yeah, you're damaging all of us. It's like the Kemi

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Badenok, the Conservative now leader,

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right? She's made some comments about how

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maternity pay has gone too far. We give working

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mothers too much help. But

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then a Conservative male mp, this old

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crusty dinosaur, basically said this same thing she

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did. And everyone's going, how dare he say that? Well, of

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course he said it because she's a woman and,

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she's now empowered him. Yeah, she's allowed that

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because if she's saying it, just, you open the door

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to them. So I just think instead of

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constantly looking at other women and going, oh, like,

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what a. Because xyz, why don't we

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think about our internalised misogyny, which we all

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have because of the system that we live

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in, and take that to our journal or to our therapist

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instead. It doesn't need to be on. It doesn't need to be on LinkedIn.

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We don't need to be spending our time wasting our time

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slagging off other women. What we should be doing is

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spending our time using our content proactively

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to raise awareness and make more money so

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that we can actually make changes.

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>> Wo0: And women are not charging what they are

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worth. Most women

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and should definitely, if you're listening to this,

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double your prices immediately.

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Just do it.

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>> Samantha Harmon: You know what? I'm reading this book at the moment and it's called

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10 times is as easy as two times.

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And basically it's about how if you.

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If you say, if you aim that you're gonna make. I know, ten grand

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month, that's your lit. Your limit, right? So you're always only

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ever thinking to ten grand a

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month. If you say it, I'm gonna aim for

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100 grand a month, you

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automatically already you're thinking much bigger than

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if your limit. If your ceiling was ten grand a

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month. And women do not do this. We're always like, well, you know,

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I kind of m. Well, I kind of want this, but I just. I'll be

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happy with this. This little, little thing.

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>> Wo0: Can I add ten grand a month? Can I earn

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a hundred grand?

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>> Samantha Harmon: Of course you can. Why? Why

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not? Of course you

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can.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Samantha Harmon: But the thing is, you. I know that you

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would do so much good with that money. There are

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billionaires who are spending their money,

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trying to go to space because.

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>> Wo0: Like, they could literally stop homelessness.

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>> Samantha Harmon: There's enough money that we could

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change so many lives. But

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instead, that is what these men are choosing to do with their

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money. And there's a book called We Should All Be Millionaires by

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Rachel Rogers. I implore every woman to

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go and read that damn book.

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>> Wo0: We should all be millionaires. Right? That's going on my. That's going on

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my Spotify in there.

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>> Samantha Harmon: She says it's not enough for us to just have

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enough. It's not as much as it's important

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for us as women to want to live nice lives,

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to have whatever we want to enjoy ourselves.

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If we want to make real systematic change, that

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is not enough. We are aiming too small. So we have

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to be able to say, I Want much more. And

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that's something from. For me, from someone

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who's from like a background where we literally had no money. At

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one point, my dad had four jobs and it was

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Christmas time and he was a milkman and he'd got

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tips and they were in like envelopes. And me and my

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sisters opened these envelopes and they're probably like

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1 pound here, 2 pound there, 50, p. Whatever.

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Honestly, it's the most money I'd ever seen at that point. And it

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was like coins. And I was going, oh my God, we're

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rich. So to. When you start like

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that, in that kind of put

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in poverty, essentially, when that is your. Your first

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memories are about not having enough, having money

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struggles to overcome all of that.

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To actually be able to say, like, it next year, I'm

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aiming to be making 50 grand a month. And I'd like,

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that's. I'm, like I'm gonna do it. And there's

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also the author of this book and

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also there is research that's suggests

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that when you say things out loud, you are

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more likely to achieve it because you have that

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extra level of accountability.

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>> Wo0: Yeah. I think it's because we also grew

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up poor.

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and I think it's really

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hard to get out of that money mindset where

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you can then think that you

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can earn that much money or. Oh my God, how

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dare I. How dare I charge more than

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£100 for a photo shoot like two years ago.

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Right. How dare I? And now I'd

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like, now it's like two grand. And I

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can't like, even contemplate it being

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more.

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>> Samantha Harmon: It's because it's. It's a. It's a journey. So you, like

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that every level, you have to keep

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expanding into different levels of capacity. But it

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is also hard when like you.

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I. We have a lot of clients who are quite similar, like very

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highly successful women.

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But the other thing with money mindset is that

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they've. A lot of them have grown up in that kind of environment

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like we have, and then they're going into extremely

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wealthy environments or they are meeting people who have a lot

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of privilege. And you feel caught between these

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two worlds. I know. I, I do. Like,

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it's Christmas. I'm gonna go home and see

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people. And I don't feel honestly like

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I belong there, but I also don't belong

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here.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, like, I, I m. Completely get that. I feel like,

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like if we were going to a Christmas ball or

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something, I would not feel like I should be There, but, like, my

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ideal clients would be there, I'd be able to hold my own.

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But I still would feel like when I went to the Business

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awards and I was like, this is

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not me. It's not me.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Even though you have every right to be there and you deserve to be there.

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>> Wo0: Yeah. And I should have won. So, I mean, I came, I got

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silver, so that's fine. Anyway, Sam,

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so final question for you. Can you tell

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me, one piece of clothing or an outfit or

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an accessory or anything that makes you

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feel your most powerful or beautiful?

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>> Samantha Harmon: I have a

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Vivian Westwood choker

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necklace. It's got like a little orb crown type

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thing on it, and I

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love wearing that because there's a thing called in clove

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cognition, which is where what we wear

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informs our behaviour and how we feel about ourselves. And

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therefore, if you're wearing something that makes you feel like a boss, you're going to

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take actions from a place of being a boss. And when I put that

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on, I feel that way. And I think it's the.

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The for me, it's like the symbolism of having

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grown up poor. When I was a

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teenager, I worked in a hotel. I was a housemaid. So I was

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literally like cleaning toilets, cleaning rooms. And I

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remember there was this one woman

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who was staying at the hotel and she had all of these lovely things and

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she had Vivienne Westwood. And I remember being this

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kid thinking to myself, like, one

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day I'm gonna have.

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I'm gonna have some Vivienne Westwood. And I remember also,

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it's a bit naughty, but spraying her, she had really nice perfume, like, spraying

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on myself and being like, one day I'm gonna be

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this woman. So now having that

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necklace, like, having been able to buy that for

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myself, invest in that thing. And when I put that on, I look in the mirror,

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I'm like, I'm that woman now. That,

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like that it. Clothes

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aren't just clothes. They. They represent so

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much. They're not just things that we put on. They

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are identity. They are the things that at the end

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of life, when all is

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said and done, when your loved ones are there, you know, hopefully

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you're gonna have a long, healthy life.

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Those are things they're going to hold on to. And

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that's going to be your memory. That,

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that. I don't know who's gonna have that necklace, but whoever

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it is, like.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, can I just say, right,

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so Sam and I went shopping, as we said earlier,

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and I bought some Vivian Westwood trousers that

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I wore the other day. Oh,

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my God. I felt like a

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million, million dollars. Like, the weight

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of them and, just how, like, how they fit

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and, like, oh, my God, they're just so

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beautiful. I don't want to ever take them

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off, but I did. I did take them off,

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but I love them.

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>> Samantha Harmon: That's what you should feel in your. That's how you deserve to feel in your

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clothes.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, that's. That's how I need to live my

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life now. So I'm gonna double my prices so I can

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afford more clothes like that.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Decked out in full. Vivian Westwood.

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>> Wo0: And I'm gonna steal your necklace. Sam, thank you so much

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for coming on. I love you. where can people

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find you?

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>> Samantha Harmon: You can find me on LinkedIn ranting about

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something. Someone that my husband

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knows said to him the other day that she lives for my

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LinkedIn comments. So if you want.

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>> Wo0: Is it because I comment in your.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Comments, I was, like, ranting about stuff, like, it's

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just.

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>> Wo0: And, I'm just sitting there being really inappropriate.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Well, yeah, there'll be Wendy being inappropriate, but again,

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that word, rant. Right. Someone. Someone commented on my post the other

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day saying, oh, I love this Samantha rant. And I almost replied

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saying, we don't use that word about men, though.

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We don't say men are ranting about things.

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>> Wo0: No, we don't.

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>> Samantha Harmon: But that, you know, that's. So, yeah,

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if you want,

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some entertaining content that

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might just make you think differently about clothes,

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come see me on LinkedIn. I'm there all the time.

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Sam M. What about your podcast? Oh, also, I have a. I

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have a podcast also.

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>> Wo0: And then you're writing a book.

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>> Samantha Harmon: Yeah, so, also I have a podcast called Hell

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Yes Style, which is

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great. Not gonna lie. I'm gonna lie to you.

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And also, my book is coming out this year,

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and that has been a whole process, a whole

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journey. And sometimes I read it and I'm like,

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this is terrible. And then other days I read it and I'm like,

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this is. This is gonna change someone's

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life.

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>> Wo0: Stop telling yourself it's terrible, please.

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>> Samantha Harmon: No, it's. It's actually. It's actually really good. And

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if you don't get it, I think you're actually crazy, which is also how I

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think you need to feel about your work as a woman, because the

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world's constantly telling you that you're not good enough. The way you

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need to make sure you feel about your stuff is, like, if people aren't in

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here doing this with me, they are

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fucking crazy.

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>> Wo0: If people don't get their photos done, by me, and they go elsewhere. They're

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fucking crazy.

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>> Samantha Harmon: You are crazy. You are crazy if you aren't here

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with me doing this.

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>> Wo0: Like, what are you. What are you even doing?

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>> Samantha Harmon: Are you okay? Are you okay, though? You're not

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okay.

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>> Wo0: Why are you here? Like, what.

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>> Samantha Harmon: What.

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>> Wo0: Why are there so many people here? What is

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everyone doing? Okay, I love you. Bye.

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