Dressing for Yourself and Using It to Your Advantage with Business Strategist Sara Marshall

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>> Wo0: Welcome to don't fucking Tell Me what to Wear or how to

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run My business. This is the

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Woopod.

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>> Sara Marshall: When I put a pair of heels on, that gives me

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power. When I put on my.

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My dresses that I choose to wear to work, that gives

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me power.

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>> Wo0: I'm your host, Wendy Gannon, but most people call me

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Woo. I'm a photographer, adhder,

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female advocate, and let's be honest, an all round

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fucking legend. Can you tell I didn't write this

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script?

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This podcast is part of Female5Million, a

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movement founded to empower women to step the fuck up,

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take control, and unapologetically own their

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space. It all started

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with some fucking Jebins LinkedIn post

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spouting some sexist bullshit about how women should dress

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to succeed in business. And you know what?

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Stuff like that really fucks me

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off. It really fucks me off.

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So I posted about it and that post ignited

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something bigger. A nationwide photography project,

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a full blown fucking movement. And now this

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podcast here on the Woopod,

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we're raising the voices of women who refuse to be told what to

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do. Women who are done playing by the rules and are now

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saying, don't fucking tell me what to wear or how to run my

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business. If you've ever been told to tone it down,

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dress more appropriately or. Or run your business like a

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man. Fuck that.

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Expect raw, unfiltered conversations with women

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who have fought through sexism, abuse and

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outdated patriarchal bullshit to build success on their terms.

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all whilst wearing whatever the fuck they want.

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Oh, and there's more swearing than our producer is willing to

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beep out. Sorry, buckers. Speaking of

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which, you'll probably hear me ask producer Bacchus to chime in

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from time to time, because like I give a shit what

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she says. We've both got adhd. We bounce well off each other.

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Deal with it. We're here to

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celebrate women doing business their way and shine a spotlight on

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the incredible ways women are fighting back and lifting each other

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up. Because, to be honest, that's what it's all about.

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And for those who aren't able to speak up right now

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for whatever reason. I see you.

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Okay, let's crack on then.

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Hello and welcome back to

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Woopod, or as we're calling it, the Don't

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Fucking Tell Me what to Wear or How to Run My Business

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podcast. Today I'm joined with, one of my

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favourites ever in the world, Sara Marshall. Hi,

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Sara

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>> Sara Marshall: Hello, love. How are we?

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>> Wo0: I am good. How are you doing?

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>> Sara Marshall: I'm good, I'm good, thank you, could.

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>> Wo0: You please give yourself an introduction

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and tell us what you do?

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>> Sara Marshall: I am a strategy advisor,

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so. So I work with businesses of all types to make their

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businesses better. So I generally go

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in and do a bit of

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analysis to understand what's going on and then

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help my clients build strategies to grow

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their businesses.

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>> Wo0: Same. You've done it with me, haven't you,

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Sara

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>> Sara Marshall: Might be working a treat.

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>> Wo0: Might be working a treat. Thank you very much.

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So why did you get involved with female 5 million?

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>> Sara Marshall: Well, you obvs,

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natch. Most people

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would do pretty much anything for woo. But,

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I had a couple of things happen in my earlier

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career that

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impacted the way that I think,

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and it gave me an understanding

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of how the world isn't necessarily a

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democracy or a meritocracy.

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So what? When I was on the grad scheme, years and years and years

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and years and years ago,

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I got somebody sent down a

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message, tell that gobby cow to shut up.

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Yeah. And it was because I was telling

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the truth. I was, I was

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talking to customers and I. I gave my boss

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some feedback that the customers had given me and

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they didn't like that. and then I

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had another situation where I got offered a job on a

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grad scheme. I got the job. It was

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a brilliant grad scheme. Like, if you. If

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you were, you know, 21 and you wanted to

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go and be at the forefront of consumer goods, let's just

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say. So I got on this grad scheme and the

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recruiter called me and she said that I had to cut my hair.

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And she said, if you want to be taken

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seriously, you need to cut your hair. And I was

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like, what? Haven't you just

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offered me a job because of my brain?

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>> Wo0: Oh, my God.

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>> Sara Marshall: I know, I know. True story. Yeah. No, we

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think, we think that you need to cut your hair. And then

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I had another client who decided to

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tell me what to wear, and

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specifically that, the bag that I was using

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wasn't good enough. And I was just like. So all through

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my career, you know, since I was kind of

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21, trying to get on a grad scheme,

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even up to some of my most

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senior roles, people have thought they could have an

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opinion on either what I look like, what my

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hair is like, what I wear.

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and that is not the world that I want.

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I don't want to be in it.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: And I certainly do not want my kids to be in a world

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where they're judged by what they wear, what they look like,

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what their hair is like.

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Surely you're judged on the job that you do. Right.

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Anyway, so that's just your question. That's a long way

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around. I have

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experienced,

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prejudice, judgement,

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criticism because of

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appearance. And that is bollocks, quite frankly.

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That's why I got involved.

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>> Wo0: I remember you just reminded me when I first went

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into recruitment, I

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was told to cut my hair by my female

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manager. Wow. And that

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I was not, I was

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wearing, like trousers and a top and

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they were wearing like

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very tight skirts and

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tops and stuff. And I was like,

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no, not K.

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>> Sara Marshall: If that's what they want to wear, that is

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100. But don't make you wear what they want

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to wear.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, yeah. Also told me to go and buy a

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suit. I'm like, we're working in transport.

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Sorry. If you're listening to this, darling, I do love you.

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Yeah.

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So you mentioned your

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kids.

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>> Sara Marshall: Yes.

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>> Wo0: Great story. You're happy to share with us

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your beautiful story. And like you

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said, They've been on LinkedIn this morning, haven't they?

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In the cutest post. Because their

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mum is the best business strategist. Thank

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you.

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>> Sara Marshall: My kids, are, donor kids. Donor

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conceived kids. And so it's just me. I am a solo parent.

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I bought some sperm, shipped it across

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America. Yeah. And did. And so I've done it on my

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own. So it

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is hard work, but they

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are my pride and joy.

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I was going to say they're my why. They're not all of my

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why. They're. They're part of my why, but not,

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not all of my why. Yeah. So it's

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just the three of us. And that gives me. Because I've

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got two girls. That makes me even

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more determined that things

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have got to get better. They can't be like this.

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They can't be like this for them. And do you know what

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worries me, Wendy? Is that

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sometimes I think that it is going to be like

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this. Because it was like this for me

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20 years ago and I'm still seeing

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it.

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>> Wo0: I think the difference is. Right.

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So, from when I was

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my daughter's age to my daughter, she's nearly 25.

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Like, the difference is, is massive. Of

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what women will accept.

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>> Sara Marshall: Yes.

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>> Wo0: So I. Yes. it's still coming.

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>> Sara Marshall: But you know, Wendy, it's not. It's not just what

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they will accept is different. So minus six and seven.

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So, you know, I started late, you know, I went on my

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solo journey, -6 and 7. And

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already you can see what

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is, what is going into their brains from what they

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watch on tv, the way they are treated at School and

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the teachers are great, but there is just this

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long standing way of doing

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things and a way of talking. Boys will

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be boys. Bullshit. Boys will be boys. Boys

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will be boys. When you let boys be boys and actually

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let boys be emotional. Oh, well,

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girls need to talk about kind hands and kind

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words and the boys need to not hit people. No,

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this is bollocks. Absolutely. There is,

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there are some differences between boys and girls, but at 6 and

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7, if they're already

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being. Clara, my 7 year old

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said to me, do I look pretty in this? And my

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response is, you're, you're brilliant,

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Clara, you're brilliant. But she's like, but

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mommy, do I look pretty? Why is she

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asking, do I look pretty? Right. Why is she

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asking that? At 7, they

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got given. Not by me. They got given makeup

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on their fifth birthday. So

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somebody, somebody's

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kids is saying, I want to buy makeup for

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those kids. And I'm like, they're

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five.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: So it's not, it's not just. You're right. There is, there is

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a massive difference in what I would have accepted

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when I was that age. Absolutely. There is a massive

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difference. But, the societal norms and the things that

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they're being fed at such young

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age is still pretty much what

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we were being fed.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: And it's.

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>> Wo0: I remember and I've had counselling

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from therapy for this. I remember being

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about 4 years old and thinking that fat people

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were disgusting.

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>> Sara Marshall: Right.

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>> Wo0: That, I have no idea where that came from.

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I have like, not got a clue.

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Oh my God, it's just so bad.

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>> Sara Marshall: So we have to do something about it. We have to be role

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models. We have to celebrate those

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people who are forging a way

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forward. And we have to make sure that our

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narrative to not just

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my generation of kids, you know, the five and seven year olds, it's far worse for

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teenagers. Now, the narrative, the narrative that we

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give, the narrative that we allow them to hear

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has to be about you

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are not what you choose to wear, what

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you look like. You are the choices that you make,

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the standards that you hold yourself up to,

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how kind you are. It's not

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about whether you've got blue eyeshadow

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on or not.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: It's ridiculous.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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We have worked together, so mentioned before. So

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you've helped me with my strategy and I've helped you with your photos.

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The brief you gave me,

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what was it, Sara The brief you gave me for your.

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>> Sara Marshall: Photos might have been the patriarchy.

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>> Wo0: Can you tell us why and

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if we managed it?

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>> Sara Marshall: Well, my. I I

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absolutely love my photos,

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absolutely love them. why did I give you that

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brief? So

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when as a strategy advisor I

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am, I'm a grown up,

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intelligent,

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effective strategy

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advisor and I quite often end up in

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pitches against the big

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four, which is basically the

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patriarchy.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: And I think

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how I how I choose to show up

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is almost a pushback on

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that. So I am, I am quite. Or not. Not

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so much anymore. I have been underestimated

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a lot in my career because of how I

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look. You know, the

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hair. I haven't got much lipstick or much makeup

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on today, but you know, I choose to wear makeup.

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and there is an element of, nah,

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nah, I'm not not doing that anymore. And,

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and there's an element of recognising that there is a patriarchy and that we

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don't all have to conform to it.

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So maybe that was why the brief was that.

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>> Wo0: Yeah. And I think we managed it, didn't we?

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>> Sara Marshall: Yeah. But interestingly I would, you know, some people would look at

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my pictures and go, yeah, but she is conforming.

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I'm not, I'm choosing. Yeah, that's,

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that's. I, I choose. So I

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turn up when I put a pair of heels on, that, that

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makes me, that gives me a power. When I

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put on my, my dresses that I choose to wear to

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work, that gives me power and

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it's. I, I choose to wear what I choose to wear and actually in

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some situations I might stick out because I probably dress more

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formally than other people. M might. But that's

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my choice.

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>> Wo0: Yep. 100. Yeah,

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100%.

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So with your strategies, you work, do you work

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with businesses? Do you work with

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solopreneurs,

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founders, everybody.

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>> Sara Marshall: I work, I work with people who want, who are

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ambitious for change and who are

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prepared to do the work. So

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I'll give you an example of this week. I've just had,

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I've just come off a call with a

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corporate client. So I'm doing

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their repositioning. It's a massive repositioning

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exercise. So they are, they're a

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hundred million pound turnover business.

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So that's today. But I spent a full day this

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week on a ca. A CEO day

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with a founder of an agency, a digital agency.

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And they are a 200 grand a year business.

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So from 100 million to 200 grand. But the thing

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that they've got in common is that ah, both of

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the, the leaders that I'm working with

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know that they have not necessarily a problem but they've just got this

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niggle, we're not doing, we're not quite doing this right. Our strategy

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is not right. There's more opportunity, but we're not quite sure what it

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is. So both of the individuals that I work

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with come, come to me with a brief that says, I've got a

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strategic niggle. I think we can be doing better than we are. Can you help

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us?

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: So with the MD of the digital agency, we sat

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down, we repositioned her business,

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we went through the whole thing. And with

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the the chief exec of the

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corporate, that's been a far longer process. That's

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been interviews with probably 30 of their

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customers, a deep dive into their internal

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strengths and all that. And But it, it is that the common

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denominator is people who want, people who are ambitious

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and want to move forward with their strategies. I mean you,

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you're solopreneur, you

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knew what you wanted, you knew that you could possibly

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be doing things slightly differently.

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>> Wo0: Better. Better.

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I was just wondering like, are there such common themes that

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come up when you work with women specifically?

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>> Sara Marshall: I think this, this thing about being underestimated comes up

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a lot. And the whole, you know, the

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chief exec of my corporate

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client was underestimated. She's

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not now, but she, if I

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think about the conversations that we would have about her challenges in

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the boardroom, so she had, her

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CFO was a male or the CFO

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was a male, the CTO was a male.

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And there was an element of

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ganging up.

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>> Wo0: Ah.

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>> Sara Marshall: And you know, that kind of latent

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lazy sexism.

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And it would be statements like

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I'm not, I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing it for you. I want to make

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sure that you're okay. And you're like,

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why are you saying that to her? Or the, the

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constant assumption that their position was the right

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position. And, and it's, you know, it's an age

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old problem. When I was at,

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so I was at Barclays years ago

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and I went from, so banks have

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kind of admin level, managerial level

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and then senior exec level and I went from management to senior exec.

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So there were at the time there were 400 senior execs

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and 40 of them were women. And I was one of those.

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And I remember, I thought I had to be

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one of the boys. And I remember dressing like

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a man and trying to act

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like a man. And it was only

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when that didn't go so well for me because I'm, I'm

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not, that it was probably then

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that I realised the power in me being me and living my

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values and living

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the way that I am. And

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actually I did better then.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: I mean, there was still the politics and all of that bollocks to deal

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with. And the game. I mean, corporate life

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is a game. You constantly play the game. There's always somebody trying

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to trample you down to get a.

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>> Wo0: But, you know, it's cutthroat, isn't it?

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>> Sara Marshall: Yeah, it is, it is. So there was still that. But actually once

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I'd recognised that I could, I, I could be

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me, then life got a

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lot easier for me. Well, probably with myself, if you see what I

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mean.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, yeah. It's less knackering, isn't it?

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It's so tiring trying to be somebody that you're not.

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Yeah, it's exhausting.

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Have you got

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a story or would you like to shout out

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or give a positive example of men showing

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their support to you? Because we're not men bashing here.

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>> Sara Marshall: Not men bashing.

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>> Wo0: We're not men bashing. So just so that

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we've got a nice balance.

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>> Sara Marshall: I've got, I would say my clients are half men,

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half women.

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And

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I, I would actually say that the clients that I work with, and this is

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probably because it's a bit self selecting,

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they're pretty good. They,

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they don't need educating, they don't, they don't

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need pulling up on stuff. And that might be because I choose to work

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with cool people. I don't, I'm

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lucky now that I can be quite discerning with

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who I choose to work with and I, I, I genuinely

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do that. I, I, I ch, I.

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If you're a knob, I'm not going to work with you.

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>> Wo0: Same. Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: so most of, I was gonna say less.

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>> Wo0: You're sexy.

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>> Sara Marshall: That's entirely different. Not for this podcast.

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I mean, it could be

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only fans.

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>> Wo0: My love portal is open.

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>> Sara Marshall: Is that a metaphor?

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>> Wo0: I'm working with a love coach and,

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no, it's not. My love portal is

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open. I am accepting love. I'm seeing

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love everywhere. But my other portal

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is closed for business.

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Yeah, so you love it.

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>> Sara Marshall: You could go somewhere completely different.

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>> Wo0: I mean, it's bound to like you're the

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second recording we've done. the first recording was

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very, very professional. We did really, really well. Didn't

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go off at all. But now we're talking about only

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fans, knobs and portals. So.

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>> Sara Marshall: Yeah, so I tell you one, one interesting thing

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that happened this, this year, one of my Clients were in a

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meeting and it

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is a stereo. So his business

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is probably a 30 million pound business

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and it is a stereotypical manufacturing

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business, quite male oriented.

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And there was me in the room.

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There were probably eight of us in the room, me

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and one other woman.

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And we were talking about the price of things and

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somebody said something about being expensive.

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And my client said, oh, you mean like wives and

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girlfriends? And I said, at the

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time, I said, that's unacceptable.

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And the men started laughing and I said, no, that's unacceptable.

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But I just, I moved on. and I called him,

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my client. And before I called

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him, I did a bit of research into how do you

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tell somebody they're being a twat and they're being

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misogynistic? And, I'll try

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and find it. There was a piece of. I don't know, it was an article written

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by an Aussie and this Aussie said

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if it was two Aussie blokes talking to each other, one would just say to each other,

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you're being a knob. Why are you being. They wouldn't worry, you

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know, they wouldn't overthink it. So I phoned my client

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and I said, mate, you were a jerk.

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And he said, what are you talking about? And I said, you an utter jerk.

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This is what you said in the meeting. And he, like,

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paused and he went, I did, didn't I? And I

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went, yeah, you did. And. And I said, by you

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behaving like that, you have just allowed

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all of the other people in your business to be

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a jerk. to be fair to him, he

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owned it. He recognised it, he owned it, he

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apologised publicly.

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>> Wo0: Good.

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>> Sara Marshall: and, you know, I'm not saying that he is never going to

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be a jerk again.

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>> Wo0: I mean, I'm sure I'm going to be a jerk at some point, Right.

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>> Sara Marshall: But fair play to him, he. He took

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it and he did something about it.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: So I suppose my piece of advice would be, if you're trying to

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say to somebody you're being misogynistic,

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I would find the, the most appropriate

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way for that person. If I'd have overthought it and started

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using, research and theories and

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throwing this at him, he would not have responded well, but by just

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saying, you're. You're a complete and utter cock.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: He was like, yeah, I was actually.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, we spoke about that when it happened, didn't we? Do you

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remember?

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>> Sara Marshall: Yeah.

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>> Wo0: And I think I gave you some advice that

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wasn't that. No, no,

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it's definitely like yeah, yeah. It's tricky isn't it?

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So. And I don't think people understand

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like what they do gives other people permission to do

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those things as well. It's really dangerous.

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>> Sara Marshall: Yeah. And ah, he's, he's the MD of his

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business. So if he is saying that stuff.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: And it is already a male oriented business,

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male dominated business. Of course everybody's going to think it's all

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right to do that. Well no it's not.

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>> Wo0: And it won't just be in the business. They'll take it home and they'll

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share it with their kids and then. Yeah. Etc. Etc.

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Etc.

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>> Sara Marshall: He did tell me that he told his wife that I'd pulled him up on it.

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Good. So yeah, yeah, good.

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>> Wo0: I love that.

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>> Sara Marshall: I mean he's not going to get a medal for not being

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that, for not doing it anymore but you know.

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>> Wo0: Well done, well done for not being a.

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Yeah.

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Okay. So I have got a final question

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for you Sara Can you tell us one piece

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of clothing or an outfit or an

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accessory or something that makes you

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feel your most powerful?

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>> Sara Marshall: I can cuz I've thought about it.

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I was married for a very long time. I don't know if you know

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that. I don't to a man. I was married

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for a very long time and when we

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split up I had all of

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my jewellery and my mom

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had also died and I had some of her

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jewellery and it was all kind of sitting

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there. So I took all of the

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jewellery to a designer. How random is this called

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Sara Marshall?

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>> Wo0: Okay. Are they in

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Hampshire?

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>> Sara Marshall: She was in Richmond. I don't know where she's now. Anyway, I took

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it, I took it on Sara Marshall

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and said I don't want, I don't want all of this

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jewellery. I was going to say diamonds. I mean we're

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not talking Imelda Marcos or anything. You know it there.

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It was nice jewellery and I want to I don't want it to sit in a

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drawer but equally I can't wear my old

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engagement ring and wedding ring and stuff. My mum's

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engagement ring she got an upgrade so that was a bit of a

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chunk and so she

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took all of these different elements of the jewellery

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and turned it into this most beautiful ring.

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It is absolutely stunning. And it's got my

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mum's upgrade ring in the ah, diamond in the middle

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and then it's got all of the rings, all of the

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diamonds, all. It wasn't

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massive but you know. And she said it's like a little daisy

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ring and it's beautiful. And when I look at

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it, that makes me.

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That kind of makes me proud of myself

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because I came through all of this

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stuff and I've made something

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positive from it. And, it's

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kind of about. When I look at that ring,

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I'm like, yeah, smashed it. You know,

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my. I was married for a long time. It didn't work out in the end. I still

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consider that a success.

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>> Wo0: Buckers is crying.

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>> Sara Marshall: I mean, I know I'm inspirational. Come on.

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>> Wo0: Give me a cuddle.

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>> Sara Marshall: Wow. So I look at this ring, I wish I'd. I wish I'd got

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it. Anyway, I look at this ring and I

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go, yeah, you've got this,

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mate. You've got this. You're all right. So, you

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know, my mum died. she was only 60, so that

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was horrific. I was married. I was. Well, I was with

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him for 17 years. That was probably the worst

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two years of my life when we split up.

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But, I've got this beautiful ring and I look at it and I go,

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you're all right.

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>> Wo0: Because you are all right, you know,

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your bloody brilliant.

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>> Sara Marshall: Yeah, I'm better than all right.

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>> Wo0: You are. I love you so much. Like, you are, you are

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a breath of fresh air. You.

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I, suppose you could look quite scary if you were

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going into a business. You know, I'm thinking like, if I

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was in that business, working there and we've got this big strategist coming in,

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I'd be like, oh my God, look at how.

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But you are the. The

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most clever,

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smart, brilliant, hilarious

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person. And,

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I just need to know about

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Shrek.

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>> Sara Marshall: What do you want to know about Shrek? Shrek? When I was at Universal, Shrek was one of

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my movies. Yeah.

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>> Wo0: So like, how is it your movie?

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>> Sara Marshall: Because so, so I was in charge of what

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was called theatrical, so so not

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theatrical home entertainment. And so

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there are people who, greenlight

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approve a movie being made.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sara Marshall: And so I was in charge of home entertainment. There are, you

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know, the various people and I was one of those people

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and. Yeah, so.

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>> Wo0: So you are Shreky's love. Shrek is

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life. Did you

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watch, did you watch that video in the end.

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>> Sara Marshall: When you're sending something?

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>> Wo0: Yeah. I need to say not so for work.

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>> Sara Marshall: Somebody with a 6 and 7 year old called Shrek.

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It needs a warning.

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So sorry, not gonna have to share with the children.

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Guys. What.

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>> Wo0: What are you talking about? So there's this, there's

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this meme. It's just like, oh, it's so

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grim. It's just a guy that just ends up getting bummed

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by Shrek.

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it's, it is wonderful. Can we

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link it in the show notes? No. Okay.

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>> Sara Marshall: I am a professional strategy

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advisor. We're gonna have to get people to DM

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you if they want the link.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, DM me if you want that link.

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>> Sara Marshall: I mean, I have better stories from Universal Time. Like I

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got drunk with Mariah Carey and Duncan from Blue

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and I had to go to LA for a two hour

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meeting because the bosses in LA

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thought that so King. When King Kong was coming out, it was

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going to be like, it was the Peter Jackson King Kong. It was going to

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be the biggest movie ever, ever in the history of

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ever. And the studio wanted a certain

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artwork on, the

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DVDs. I mean it's, it just sounds so

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ridiculous. And I was responsible

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for, ah,

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every territory, every country in the world, apart from

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the States. And so I was arguing them, saying you can't

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put the same artwork, you can't have the same creative

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in Russia as you do in

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Chile. People respond differently. It's

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all about the customers. And they're like, no, we're just going to have the

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American one. I was like, no, no.

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So I had to, I had to build my kind of financial

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case, fly out to la, have a two hour argument,

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which of course I won. fly back.

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Yeah, yeah.

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>> Wo0: Oh, I fucking love you.

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So, the book's coming out soon.

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You are in it. The

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exhibition's happening soon. You

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are in it.

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>> Sara Marshall: I'm all over it.

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>> Wo0: You're all, you're all over my life and I'm

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very grateful for that. Sara Marshall, thank

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you so much for coming on to the don't

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fucking Tell Me what to Wear or How to Run My Business podcast.

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>> Sara Marshall: It's a pleasure, darling. See you soon.

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