Embracing Neurodiversity and Writing Like You F*ing Mean It with Vicky Quinn Fraser

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: You are like a lemon pip. You hang around until it's almost

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too late. And you only leave when you shoot out under high pressure. And

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I feel like that describes me.

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>> Wo0: Welcome to don't fucking Tell me what to wear or how

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to run my business. This is the

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Woopod.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: What would happen if I was ever thrust back into the dating pool for whatever

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reason? And I would be like, cat lady.

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>> Wo0: Can'T shag a cat, mate.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I'm not that fussed. Honestly. If it's got batteries, I'm

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fine.

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>> Wo0: I'm your host, Wendy Gannon, but most people call me

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Woo. I'm a photographer, adhder,

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female advocate, and let's be honest, an all

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round legend. Can you tell I didn't write this

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script?

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This podcast is part of Female5Million, a

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movement founded to empower women to step the up,

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take control, and unapologetically own their

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space. It all started

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with some fucking Jeburn's LinkedIn post,

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specifically spouting some sexist about how women should dress

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to succeed in business. And you know what?

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Stuff like that really me

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off. It really me off.

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So I posted about it. And, that post ignited something

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bigger. a nationwide photography project, a full

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blown movement. And now this

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podcast here on the Woo Pod,

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we're raising the voices of women who refuse to be told what to

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do. Women who are done playing by the rules and are now

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saying, don't tell me what to wear or how to run my

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business. If you've ever been told to tone it down,

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dress more appropriately or run your business like a

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man, fuck that.

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Expect raw, unfiltered conversations with women

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who have fought through sexism, abuse and

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outdated, patriarchal to build success on their

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terms. all whilst wearing whatever the fuck they want.

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Oh, and there's more swearing than our producer is willing to

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beep out. Sorry, Buckers. Speaking of

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which, you'll probably hear me ask producer Buckers to chime

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in from time to time, because like I give a shit

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what she says. We've both got adhd. We bounce well off each

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other. Deal with it. We're here

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to celebrate women doing business their way and shine a spotlight

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on the incredible ways women are fighting back and lifting each other

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up. Because, to be honest, that's what it's all about.

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And for those who aren't able to speak up right now,

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for whatever reason. I see you.

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Okay, let's crack on then.

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Hi, everybody. Welcome back to the

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Voopod series. Don't

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tell me what to wear or how to run my business.

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I'M I think I'm on one a little bit today.

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Sorry, not sorry. Today we're

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joined by Vicky Quinn Fraser and of course, producer

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Buckers. How are you? Vicki Quinn Fraser.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I am good, thanks. How are you? Woo. And,

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Buckers?

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>> Wo0: I'm great.

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>> Buckers: We are great.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, we're great. okay, I've loved it

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already. So

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would you like to introduce yourself, Vicky?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yes, I am Sorry, that

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was.

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>> Buckers: Yes, I would start a

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podcast and then you have to do your own bloody

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introduction. What an absolute liberty.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I know. I was like, I hate introducing

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myself.

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>> Wo0: No, right, stop, stop. Vicky Quinn

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Fraser is a fucking legend.

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She writes books. She helps people

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write books. Like micro books.

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Sam Har. I

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literally mention Sam Harman on every episode. It's so

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funny. Oh, God. Like, if we don't mention her

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one day, I will just go Sam Harman at

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the end and was that enough?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I am a writer. I'm an

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author. I'm a book coach. I teach people how to write nonfiction

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books, but I teach people how to write like they fucking

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mean it. That's what I like to say is I teach people

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how to write like they mean it.

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>> Wo0: How do you write like you mean it?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Well, because I think what happens with a lot of people if

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they are. If they don't consider themselves to be a writer, I'm, doing

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air quotes for the radio. then they.

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It's like this massive wall comes up between them when they sit down to

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write, and they become either a person who literally, literally can't

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string two words together, or they become this

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like, weird stuffed shirt type of person, especially if they're writing for

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their business. It's like, oh, how mess appears to be professional. and

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it's just. And there's. There's so much bullshit around it. So

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I like to work with people to help them let go of all

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that and just like, use the voice that they've already got. Because

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a lot of people talk about, oh, you need to find your voice and da, da, da.

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Everybody has a voice. Everybody has a voice.

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Not everybody knows how to use it or feels confident to use it

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or is brave enough to use it. And that's kind of

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what I think of myself as. It's like, yes, I can help people get the

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books written and all the rest of it, but what I want to do is get people to a place

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where they're comfortable enough using the voice that they've got

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to tell the stories that they want to tell. And that to me

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is like, that lights me Up. That's amazing.

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>> Wo0: I fucking love that. Can I

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really. I don't like introducing myself.

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>> Buckers: She says, I don't like doing my own

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introduction. That was awesome.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: And I think.

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>> Wo0: Can I just say that, I had an idea for a book the other day and I started

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writing it.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Oh, that's so exciting.

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>> Wo0: However, I think I wrote, like,

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a sentence and then I got distracted. So,

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yeah, that's my life. That.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Ah, sounds familiar.

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>> Wo0: So what made you get involved with female 5 billion

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Vicki?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: You did, Wendy.

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Yeah, I read your, I read your LinkedIn post about that. That

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dude, capital letters, that dud. And I was just like, oh,

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what? What? Dick. Why? Why, why?

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Why did they feel. Why do these mediocre white

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dudes. Because it's always mediocre white dudes. Why do they feel

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the need to just insert themselves into

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shit that's none of their business and make women feel

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like crap? It's like, why, why can you not just mind your business,

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do your thing over there, leave us alone and

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pay us more? Like all of those

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things? And so I was just like, yes,

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yes, Wendy, yes. And then I saw what you were doing with it, and I was like, that

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is such a worthwhile project as a fuck you

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to some dickhead. And it's turned into just. Which is fun, but

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it's turned into just the most incredible, worthwhile project. And

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so I was just like, yeah, I want to be a part of that.

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>> Wo0: Oh, and Vicky's helping us with the book. Not

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that we've given her anything yet. It's

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coming out in March. Vicky.

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>> Buckers: For reference, it's currently the 14th of January at time

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of recording.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: It'll be fine. It'll be fine.

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>> Wo0: It's coming out in March, Vicky.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: It'll be fine. Yep,

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everything's fine. You know that meme with the fire in the

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background?

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>> Wo0: Everything is fine.

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>> Buckers: Can we actually.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Can we.

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>> Buckers: Can we talk about that, Wendy? Like, the process of

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making the book and maybe a bit later,

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I mean, if I knew.

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>> Wo0: It's gonna be fine. So I take

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loads of photos of women. I did

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started off with the London shoot where you two were at, then the

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Manchester shoot. Then

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I wanted to it to not be

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boring. And I was like, oh, it's gonna be really

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dull if there's just pictures on a white background. So I

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went and took some photos of Katie, who was

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on podcast. Many people who have been

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on the podcast to make it more

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fun. And my daughter's currently putting it all

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together, but I haven't edited all the

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photos or given her. Any of the

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photos. So it's all

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my fault.

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>> Buckers: You have been quite busy, to be fair.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have. I know. And

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I've started editing them.

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I just need to finish. Do you know what? I've got a

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little block on this. I'm gonna be completely transparent.

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I've got a bit of block on this because,

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as always, I don't. I think the photos are.

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I think that. I think they're, So I've put off,

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put off, put off, put off. And then I go back and I'm like,

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oh, actually, some of them are. I mean, they're all

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fine. I'm sure they're all fine. But then I'm like, I don't

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know how to crop them. I don't know which ones to use. Other people

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gonna hate them. What's happening? Oh, my God. so,

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So as us gals with ADHD

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do, I'm leaving it to the last minute, and then I'll

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have to do it, and then it will be ready in.

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>> Buckers: March, and it will be incredible.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: It will be. I don't think that's necessarily such a bad

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strategy because I have tried so many times over the years to be,

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like, more organised on doing more air quotes again. And

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I just. I just think sometimes we just do do our best work

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under that kind of pressure, and that's okay. And also, I'm

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gonna remind you of the thing that I need reminding of. Nobody thinks about us as

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much as we do. So it's like, everybody else will be like, these are incredible. When

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you're like.

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>> Wo0: You're mean. Everyone thinks about me.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: All of.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, no, I. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: It's gonna be incredible. Like, the little snippets that I've seen

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and some of the screens that you showed me at the shoot, I was just like, oh, my God,

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these are gonna be so good.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, yeah. Okay.

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Yeah, yeah,

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yeah. All right, then.

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>> Buckers: Where does Vicki. Vicki, where do you come in when it comes to putting

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together the coffee table book? Like, what do you do?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: So there's a bunch of stuff that I could do, but,

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because this is much more of a visual book, and

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Wendy and I have talked about, I can create it into the file

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that need. That the printers need to create the book. So I will.

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Using InDesign, as the tool that I use. There's

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various tools that you can use, but for something that's that photo

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heavy and, that visual you want to be using InDesign,

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really, I will put it into InDesign and magic

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it into a PDF format for the book

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printer.

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>> Wo0: Yay.

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>> Buckers: And then it becomes a book like, that we can hold in our hands.

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>> Wo0: I can't say typo book.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Oh. And then I can obviously, like, advise on the process

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of, like, getting, you know, publishing it and do. Doing what you need to do

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to get it out there and the people buying it and stuff as well. But.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, also, I'm actually waiting on some people,

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naughty people, for bios.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I don't know what you're talking about.

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>> Wo0: Can't do it unless I've got it.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I'm gonna write that down. Hang on.

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>> Wo0: It's not just you, Vicky. Don't worry.

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>> Buckers: Oh, I'm very much guilty of this. Wendy asked me for a

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bio, for the coffee table book back in, like, November.

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And like you were just saying, Vicky, I.

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I used to. I loved writing at school as a

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kid. Creative writing. Loved it. I was

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that little kid that would just write their own little stories. Just

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not even anything to do with your schoolwork. Just absolutely loved

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writing. But when it comes to writing about me as a.

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As an adult woman now, writing about me or my

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business, I really, really struggle. I

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like, constantly self edit. I can't.

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I can't think about what I want to say. And then I'll

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start to write something down and then I'll second guess myself and think, is this

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interesting to other people? What's the right word to use?

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Is it too flamboyant? Do I actually speak like

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this? What's the right way to go about it? How long

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should it be? And I get really, really, like, tangled up

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in knots about it. Any kind of,

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like, professional kind of writing that I do now.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: So stop trying to write it. Get yourself a voice note

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and tell somebody and then just record it.

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In fact, I was just. I was just thinking as you were saying that I was like,

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wendy, can you just snip out that little intro that I did at the

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beginning? There's your bio.

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>> Wo0: Perfect. Perfect. Bacchus, could you send

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that to me in text?

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>> Buckers: Yeah.

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>> Wo0: Thank you.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Perfect. But, yeah, do something like that. Like,

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because, I know that I said, like, I hated introducing myself. I know. Do,

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like, it's like when you're, a networking thing, and it's like, we're gonna go around and say one

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interesting thing about ourselves, and I'm like, please.

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>> Buckers: Shoot me in the face.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: So nobody wants to do that?

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>> Wo0: No, nobody does want to do.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: It's really difficult to introduce yourself and to do

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that little bio. So that's what I tend to do is, like,

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I'll just. I'll write something stupid or I'll speak

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it into a. Like an. Into a. I don't know what I'm doing with that. A

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voice box. What do you call it? A mobile phone, like, thing?

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Yeah.

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>> Wo0: Voice box.

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>> Buckers: Dictaphone?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yes.

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>> Wo0: A what? A what

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phone?

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>> Buckers: A dictaphone, Wendy. What to phone

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your favourite kind of device?

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>> Wo0: Dick.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Sorry, sorry.

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>> Wo0: Like, when Vicky came, like, into the.

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Into the room, like, sorry, Vic, we're just talking about

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dicks again.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: That's fine.

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>> Wo0: How do you feel in front of the camera when

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you're getting a photo taken?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Hate it.

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>> Wo0: Did you hate it when I did it?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I did not.

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>> Wo0: Really?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yeah. Really? I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say I loved it

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because, I'm constantly thinking about what my face

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is doing. Like, I'm constantly thinking about what my face is doing anyway

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because, autistic as well as adhd, so I spend all my time

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looking at other people to see what I'm supposed to be doing with my face and my

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body. so there's that element also. But I also hate my

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face. And so I'm just like. I

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really, really dislike having my photo taken. But

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you make it so much fun that you make people almost

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forget that process. And it's more about just having a bit

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of a laugh with you rather than, oh, I'm at a photo

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shoot. Which is really a magical

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power.

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>> Wo0: Thank you. First of all, I fucking love your face.

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We need to do some work on that together because

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your face is so, beautiful. but thank you.

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It is like, people are like, I don't know why we're talking

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about me, but people are always like,

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I'm a wizard. How do you do it? And I'm like, I've got

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no fucking clue. I don't even know

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how I got around to taking photos. I

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did. I was not think of any lessons or anything.

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I could just fucking do it. Like, that's just

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the way our brains work, right?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I don't know. Yeah, I guess so. But, like, it's really funny

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because, this is probably. It's probably gonna come out wrong now. But,

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like, you are not what I would

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think of as a photographer because of the way

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you are with people and the way you move through

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the world and just. You make your. I don't know. And

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it's just. But that's such a positive thing because it's just like. And I

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have worked with some amazing photographers who are also amazing

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photographers, who are Much more like, oh, that person is

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obviously a photographer. But, like,

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just. You're so. I don't know, it's just you're. You're

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like an entire experience, and it's just

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delightful. And so, yeah,

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whilst I wouldn't say that. Whilst I wouldn't say that

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I loved having my photo taken that day. I. I

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didn't hate it and I had a lot of fun, but

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having your photo taken was almost beside the point, if that makes

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sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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>> Wo0: I had an experience.

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>> Buckers: You have a whole experience.

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>> Wo0: So well done. Oh, I fucking love it.

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I fucking love it.

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Have you met any toxic men, Vicky?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Oh, God, yes.

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Obviously.

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>> Wo0: Tell us about.

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>> Buckers: Do you exist in the world?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Oh, my God. I remember, how I remember seeing.

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Seeing this guy. I remember seeing this

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guy and he thought it would be hilarious

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to tell me that he had filmed us the night before.

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He hadn't, but that was his idea of

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a really funny joke. And I still get anxious about that

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because I was just like, do you know what it means? Like, what if he had and he

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didn't? but I was just like, what? And that was

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before. That was, like, way before I knew I was. So I got married

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when I was 20 to a different guy. he

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was quite a lot older than me. He's perfectly nice man. I don't

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hold. You know, we didn't. We weren't a good. A good match,

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but after we split up, I went a bit mental. Did a lot of

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drinking, took some substances that I probably

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shouldn't have done.

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>> Wo0: But were they good?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I don't even drink now. yeah, so I just, like, went out

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and slept with a bunch of people that I probably shouldn't have done either. And,

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I definitely shouldn't have done. But, yeah, one of them was just this. This guy. And

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it was like, on the surface, he seemed like a really nice guy. And then

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he did that, and it's like, that's. That's not funny. Like,

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that's not fucking mean not funny. And I

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was really naive as well, because, my husband was only the second

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guy I'd ever slept with. and so now I was in this

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world, and I didn't know what the rules were. All I knew was that I existed

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to please men. I equated sex with intimacy

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and, all sorts of, you know, other stuff. I

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was pretty damaged anyway, and it was just like,

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why would you do that? So that was. That was one that was fun. I'd almost forgotten about

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him. there Was, no, no, no, it's fine, it's fine

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now. But I was just like, I was just like, what?

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I'm good at compartmentalising. same. And then I went, and

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this one's hilarious, this one's funny, this one's a funny story. I went on

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a blind date from a, from an app, can't

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remember which app it was now. And we went

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for a drink and he had said, oh, I'm like,

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I'm six foot and blah blah, blah and I don't care, I'm five foot

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two. I don't give a shit how tall men are. Like that makes no difference to me at all.

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I turned up and he was a couple of inches taller than me, if that. And I'm

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like, why would you, like, why would you lie

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about that? It's really obvious.

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>> Wo0: Like you've got, you've got to meet somebody.

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Like, I don't understand, right?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: And it's like, clearly you've got a chip on your shoulder about it, which is definitely a

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problem that you need to get over because it's like, it really doesn't mean

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anything to most women. and, and then he proceeded to spend

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the whole date telling me about what an amazing date he'd had with this other woman

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the week before. And I'm like, no, why are you like this? And

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then he was really surprised when I left early.

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So that's like the more light hearted, toxic, I

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guess. but yeah, there's two examples for you.

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And then there's just the LinkedIn Bros that you know are

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all over the place and.

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>> Buckers: Oh, them, oh, those guys.

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>> Wo0: Fucking dickheads.

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Dating's shit, innit?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Do you know what? I feel like my, my husband is

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incred. Like I'm gonna be like a really smug married here. But

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like, I am so fucking lucky. because the bar is

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so low. Like it's so fucking low.

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And my husband is just one of the best humans. And

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I think I look around at some of my, some of my, the people

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that I know and their relationships and I'm like, I am

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so lucky. Like, I am so lucky.

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And so then I think about, oh my God, what would happen if I was ever thrust back into

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the dating pool for whatever reason and I would be like cat lady.

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That's. I just need my cats. That's all I need. Because I just

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can't, like, I want.

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>> Wo0: You can't shag a cat, mate.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I don't need to. I'm not that first. Honesty. If it's got

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batteries, I'm fine.

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>> Wo0: So, can I tell you a story?

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Right? I mean, I've got loads of stories. I mean, this.

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This is just gonna be about sex, this episode. I, I

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got a message from Sophie Lee, who we're recording with

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next the other day,

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and it said, did you

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send me a vibrator?

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Did you send me a vibrator for my Christmas birthday

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present? I was like, fucking no, but I wish I had.

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Like, what a great present. And then she

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was like, are you sure it's a

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lemon? And I was like, oh,

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hold on a minute. So I looked at my shop,

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apparently, and because I'd sent

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her flowers, before, or something to say thank

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you, it automatically sent

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my fucking treat vibrating

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clitoral sucking lemon

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present that I bought myself to her.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: That's hilarious.

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>> Wo0: Fucking waiting for that agent.

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>> Buckers: She knew it was you?

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>> Wo0: She didn't know it was me. So her and her husband,

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they, she asked all of her close friends and then they

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decided to do some investigating.

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So they, like, took the sticker off to see the sticker

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underneath and saw a phone number that was like,

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exactly mine, but one digit different. Now, I

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might have done that on purpose so that nobody phones me because

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I hate phone calls. But, yeah, so she messaged me,

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like, what's this you? She

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was like, it's a really bougie, spenny

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vibe. And I was like, yeah.

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>> Buckers: Can I have it back, please?

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>> Wo0: Right? And so I said

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to her the other day, I've still not received. But she was like, I'll

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send it back. I haven't used it. I was like, I don't care if you have

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girls. I

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do. I'm joking. but I also

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did the whole sex

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thing. I didn't have my first one night stand

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until I was in my 40s. Fuck me if I made

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up for it. Like, I found this

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website that it's

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just like, Tinder without the bullshit.

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Then banned from Tinder as well.

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>> Buckers: How did you get banned from Tinder?

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>> Wo0: I don't know. Just being

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myself.

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so, yeah, so I went on this website and had fun with lots of

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people. I've stopped now. I'm

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finding love now is the love

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me come and love me.

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>> Buckers: So, yeah, like, but good

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dating is a horror show.

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>> Wo0: Dating is fucking shit.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I'm watching some of my friends dating at the moment and I'm like,

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absolutely not. No. One of my friends, I, probably

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shouldn't tell the story, but I'm, not gonna name her, so it's fine. But one of my

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Friends had a date with a guy who took offence at being

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offered lemon water because he decided that that was her way of saying that

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he was fat. He was

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like, what? And then he

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shouted bingo when he came.

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>> Wo0: Oh, my God, that's better than, my

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mate went out with somebody. And when he came, he went, pew,

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pew.

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>> Buckers: That's unacceptable.

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>> Wo0: Unacceptable. Did you just go,

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pew, pew? No.

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What are you talking about?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: You can only do that kind of thing when you're

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really comfortable with the person you're with and you know they're gonna find it

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funny.

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>> Buckers: And it's a genuine joke.

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>> Wo0: He did it. I don't know if he knew that he was

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doing it.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: That's so funny.

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>> Buckers: Oh, my God. Bingo is horrific.

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>> Wo0: But bingo is the, best. No, I'd

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fucking love that. I love it.

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Like, the weirder the shit, the better.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: That's the kind of thing that if you do right at the beginning, you can either find

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your perfect person or it's a really good way of, like,

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thinning the.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, 100%. Like, I tell

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everybody what my dog's real full name is and I'm not gonna do

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it on here because it's really inappropri appropriate and really

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dark. So, So that I know if they

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can deal with me or not.

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Okay, I need to stop, otherwise I will

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continue.

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>> Buckers: Let's pick it back up from dating, shall we?

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>> Wo0: Vicky, have you got any positive examples of men

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showing their support?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yeah, my husband. He's awesome. He is my favourite.

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>> Wo0: Tell me all about him.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: He is so great.

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>> Wo0: It's his dick. I'm joking.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: It's exactly the right size. He

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is so awesome. He is my

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best friend. He is kind, he is funny. He

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is the person I just want to spend all my time with. He's my biggest

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cheerleader. Like, honestly, I came home with a

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random sheep and after rolling his

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eyes.

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>> Wo0: Sorry, live or dead? I mean, live or

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stuffed?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Live. Live. It had a wonky leg and the farmer was going to kill it

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if he couldn't straighten his leg out. And I was like, no, I will take it. So now we have

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three sheep.

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>> Wo0: what are they called?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: We don't have the original sheep. He was Eric, but I didn't know

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anything about sheep. And so he had to go to a farm sanctuary where he is now very

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happy and well looked after. But obviously he couldn't be on his own. So we

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have Bronson, Koenig and

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Picard. Bronson is the textbook example of

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toxic masculinity, actually. but I still love him. Because

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that's how abusive relationships go.

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>> Wo0: Oh, my God. Imagine calling your pet something really

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inappropriate.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: So, yeah, and I just turned up with this wonky little

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sheep. And Joe rolled his eyes a bit and was like,

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right, I'm gonna build you a little, you know, little barn for him.

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And I was the sheep's best friend.

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And, you know, I quit my job with nothing to go

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to. I had to quit because they were about to fire me. and I just

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remember sobbing at him from the car, being like, quit

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my job. I don't know what I'm gonna do. And

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he was just like, it's gonna be okay. And he was probably freaking out, but he didn't let

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me see it. And then I was like, I'm gonna start my own business. And he

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was right there behind me. And like literally every

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ridiculous thing I've ever said that I wanted to do, he's been my

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biggest, does roll his eyes sometimes, but he's been my biggest

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cheerleader. And he's just like. I was like, let's move to this

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ridiculous house that's an hour and a half from where we used to live

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that is basically held up by spider webs and hope and

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renovated completely. It's 400 years old.

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We've got all of this ridiculous land out. This is the only reason we can

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afford to live. Where we live is because the place is a wreck.

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and so we are now like nine years into a five year

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project. And he never complains and he's

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just. I'm so fucking lucky. I'm so lucky.

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>> Wo0: Has he got a brother?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: He has two brothers, actually. But, they are

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unavailable. Well, they're my brother's in law,

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so no,

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that would feel weird. They're very nice,

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but they are unavailable.

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>> Wo0: I'm sorry, is his dad available?

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Okay.

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>> Buckers: Oh, this is what women want. We don't care about how

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tall you are. We just build us a shed for

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our sheep.

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>> Wo0: Oh, my God. The main thing that I look for

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is you've got to make me laugh. Like if I. Like

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if you. And you've got to think I'm funny. If you don't think I'm funny, you can

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go because I'm hilarious.

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Imagine, imagine me making you laugh all day. You're just not

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laughing. So rude.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I said I was gonna do stand up comedy and he was just like,

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awesome. And he comes to every single one of my

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gigs and it's just like, oh, I love

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it. I love him so much. I'm so lucky. I'm really lucky.

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>> Wo0: We love you, Jo.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: And he's really fit, so that helps.

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>> Wo0: That really helps.

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What are some obstacles that you faced in

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your business? Who helped you?

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How did that change anything?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Aside from myself and my own stupid brain, you mean?

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>> Wo0: Yes, yes. Actually.

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Actually, let's talk about that.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Okay.

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>> Wo0: We've not. We've not touched on neurodiversity, have

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we, Buckers?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: No.

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>> Wo0: And all three of us, I hope you don't mind me saying, are

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neurodivergent.

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>> Buckers: Yeah.

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>> Wo0: How's that?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Well, it's. It's, It's a fun little roller

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coaster every single day. I don't know, it's a

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funny. It's a funny question, isn't it? How. That's like, dunno. It's my

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life, innit it? Yeah.

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>> Wo0: How's that. How's that going for you?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yeah, well, it's revelatory. Cause, like,

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I'll do stuff and then I'll be. And then I'll be like. But

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everybody is, you know, does that. Jo will be like, no, that's a really

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odd thing to do. Like, that's, Not in a mean way, but it's like, that's.

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Everybody doesn't do that. So I don't know.

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I think I get in my own way a lot, but I

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also get shit done, like

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really fat. Like you were saying, with your ridiculous deadline coming

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up. It's like, sometimes that's the way to get there. Oh. So see,

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Jo is really funn. Because he described me. It's like. He's like, you're like

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a lemon pip. Like, you don't.

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Oh, my God. It's like.

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It's like you. He's like. I can't remember exactly how he puts it, but I

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did write it down, so I'll have to dig out. But he was like, you are like a lemon

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pip. You hang around until it's

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almost too late. And you only leave when you shoot out under high

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pressure. Because I'm terrible again. And I was just like.

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But yes, he's right. It's like you have to be

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squeezed to the point of, like,

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exploding out of the lemon before. You know, before you do

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anything. And I feel like that's.

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>> Wo0: That's actually really good.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yeah, I feel like that describes me.

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>> Buckers: And then when someone's trying to pick you up, you just keep shooting it out of their

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fingers. Yeah, there's

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no stopping me now.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Which is also like the thought processes. And it's like I've got

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a thousand different ideas and then I try and do them all at once and obviously

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none of them work. So it's like trying to pin down the one

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thing that I want to do that is a chat. That's a challenge. There

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you go. That is a really big challenge. It's like focusing on.

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You can't do everything all at once. Like, I, I get really angry that I'm

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gonna die before I get to do everything.

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>> Wo0: I am, I am shocked that I've got

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adhd. Right?

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Like, I am so shocked. I

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thought that, no, of course I haven't got it, of

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course I haven't got it. And I'm like, since

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realising that, actually I got it.

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Definitely, definitely.

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People were like, oh, yeah, I knew that. I

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didn't tell me. But

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if you had told me, I'd probably be pissed off that you told me.

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So there's a no win. There's a, low winning thing

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there. I'm still waiting two

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years, over two years now for my

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diagnosis. and I did actually did a

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post yesterday just going like, shout out to everybody on

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antidepressants because, you know, keeping

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us alive. Shout out to people who are on

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antidepressants, because they've been wrongly

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diagnosed and then shout out to

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those laser that have been wrongly diagnosed to go through

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menopause because it ramps up your

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adhd. I'm like, I really

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would like some medicine.

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I don't want to self medicate

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anymore. It's

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really hard. I'm finding it really. I'm really struggling

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actually.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: It's hard. It is hard. It's really hard. And like people

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don't notice all of the scaffolding that you put in place. It's like

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you don't realise that you've got it. but then

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it's like, Joe, because I was like, oh, they're not gonna, you know,

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I feel like a fraud. This is another thing that a lot of women with adhd, it's like,

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oh, what if I don't have. I'm just shit. What if I'm just,

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And. But I'm like, but I've got all of. Like these

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questions don't really make a lot of sense. And he's like, but

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you. They don't see all of the scaffold. Like, it's not normal

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to have 53 lists and systems down to their,

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down to the fine detail and like all of the systems that, I've put in

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place to like scaffold my life. Yeah, it's like most people

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don't have that. Like, people, of course everybody has Lists, blah, blah, blah. But it's

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like the level of ridiculous scaffolding that I've got

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underpinning everything that I've built from, you know, being

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a small child. Because that's how.

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>> Wo0: Because that's how you've had to. Yeah, yeah. It's

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mad. Like my scaffolding has fallen

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away quite, a lot of it's falling away because, like,

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as soon as I found out that I had it, it's

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like I've forgotten how to mask anymore.

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So fuck you, this is

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it. This is fucking it.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Do you know what? I've seen a lot of people say that, though, on, like, the

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Reddit groups and the forums and stuff. It's just like people being

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told by their friends, oh, since you've got diagnosed, it's like

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you're playing off up. Or it's like, it's like you're more

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autistic or you're more adhd and it's like, no, I'm just not

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trying. I get why they say it, but it's like, no, I'm

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just not masking anymore. Or I'm masking less now than

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I was before because it's fucking

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exhausting.

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>> Wo0: Oh, my God, it's so tiring. Like, I definitely

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needed the antidepressants just from probably masking.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yeah, it's anxiety inducing. And I noticed this at

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Christmas because we went to Joe's family, who are all, all

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so lovely, but there's a lot of them. There's a lot of them. he's

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the youngest of six. and so his family gatherings are always

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like, And I don't talk much at them. And it hadn't.

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Until I kind of sat and thought I was analysing myself while we were

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eating Christmas dinner. And I was like, I don't talk because

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I spend the whole time watching other people's faces and listening

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really carefully to see what to do, when to do it, how to do

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it, how to. How to speak, what to say, what's appropriate, blah, blah,

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how to answer. And it's just like, no wonder I'm tired. And

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I always thought I was introverted, and I think I am, but I, think

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actually it's more that I'm so

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tired from trying to

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internal AI my way through kind

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of social interactions and work my way through

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it. It was really interesting because it's just like, oh,

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I would love to be able to let go of some of that. But also I

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know what comes out of my face when I let go of things like that.

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I can't do that.

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>> Wo0: You can do it, though. we are. I'm

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sorry. I'm really, really sorry, but the entire time you were talking, I was just

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looking at your dinosaur jumper.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Isn't it great? You see, this is another reason why Joe is

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amazing. Because he got me this for Christmas because he knew how much I would

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love it.

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>> Buckers: That is incredible.

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>> Wo0: I've got a dinosaur tattoo.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Me too. And it's.

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>> Buckers: Oh,

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what kind of dinosaur is it, Vicky?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: it's a little. It's a nondescript dinosaur, but it's

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a spaceman dinosaur.

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>> Buckers: A little spaceman dinosaur on your shoulder?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Wo0: So I got my toe artist, the same one that did the

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dick to.

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So my legs are like this. So when my legs are together, you

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can see the dinosaur across my legs.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Wow.

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>> Wo0: It's so cute. It's so cute.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Just put a photo of that on LinkedIn.

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>> Wo0: Really?

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>> Buckers: Have you ever done that, Wendy? Have you ever, like, had

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all, all of your tattoos, like, photographed? And

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then imagine putting them in like, a little

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collection, like a, like a little

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book or like a little, like print.

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>> Wo0: But it's me.

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>> Buckers: Yeah, but they're part of you, aren't they? And they've all got the

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story.

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>> Wo0: No one wants to see me.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yes, they do.

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>> Wo0: I'm behind the camera.

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that's where my confidence is.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: I love your behind the scenes photos, though. They are

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hilarious.

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>> Wo0: They are getting super funny. I'm really enjoying doing

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them because that's literally what I do. Like

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leggings in the air. Ah,

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Stupid.

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One final question, Vicki.

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no, not one final question. I just need to say this. We

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are both speaking at an event at the end of January, which would have

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passed by the time this podcast comes out. And I

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cannot wait to see your stand up.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Like, it's not going to be stand

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up so much as a humorous talk. Talk.

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>> Wo0: Okay.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Because if we call it stand up, then I'll freak out and

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not do it.

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>> Wo0: Okay, so it's a humorous talk. Okay, fantastic. I

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understand that. I'm gonna do a humorous talk as well about female

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5 million.

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so final question. Can you tell us the

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one piece of clothing or outfit or accessory

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or shoe or anything that makes you feel your

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most powerful or beautiful?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Okay? So it's really interesting because

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I am autistic and one of my things,

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I have a lot of really weird sensory stuff. So, like, I really struggle with

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tight tops. Like, this is the most.

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>> Wo0: Neck. Struggling with it.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yes. and textures and blah, blah, blah. So I really

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struggle. Like, I see beautiful clothes, I'M like, oh, I think that would look amazing. And

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then I wear it and it makes me want to peel my own skin

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off. So I actually do struggle with looking nice

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because what I feel, what I feel best in is joggers and

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oversized T shirts. I just like it super

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comfy, so it's probably not gonna

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be a normal item. Clothing. I've got kind

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of two things and they're both a little bit weird. So one

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is my, one is my pole boots, which

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are 8 inch platform heels. and

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they're just like, A, it's hilarious when you wobble

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and fall over because, like, that's just funny. and B,

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it's just, they're like, I don't know, it's like you put

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them on and it's like, oh, look how tall I am and look how

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badass I look. And look how fucking long my legs.

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And they do like an amazing butt lift thing. And

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so it's just like, there is nobody who

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has ever looked anything less than sensational

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in ridiculously high stripper shoes. Right. They just are

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magic. So, so that. Because

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also, because I know I'm a pretty good pole dancer. And so

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it's just like, as soon as they go on, it's like, oh, this is.

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Here is a thing I can do and a way I

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can move. That looks good and blah, blah, blah. So there's that. But also I've got this really

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long yellow coat and it's really bright and it's made of

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wool and it covers everything and I just fucking love it. I get so many

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compliments when I wear it, so there's that as well.

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>> Wo0: Oh, I love that. Thank you so much.

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>> Buckers: I got a better answer. love that.

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>> Wo0: Fucking brilliant. I need to get myself some

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stripper shoes.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yes. Don't start off with 8 inch heels because they're

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terrifying. Start off with slightly lower ones.

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>> Wo0: I mean, no.

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>> Buckers: Go on or go home, eh?

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>> Wo0: All or nothing, mate.

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>> Buckers: I'm also so intrigued about pole dancing.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: That's really fun.

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>> Buckers: I imagine it to be such an empowering feeling

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doing something that would get like

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tuts and eyebrow raises from a certain sector

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of society and actually how inclusive it

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is.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: as a hobby, it is very inclusive.

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>> Wo0: I'd love to try pole, but I'm

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fat and I don't want to get

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bruised.

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>> Buckers: What's your take on that, Vicky?

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Well, I would say you're gonna get bruised,

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so that's fair. But the fat thing

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is like, find a poll studio is

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like, there are people of all shapes and sizes at our pole studio. And they

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all take part in comps and showcases, and they are all fucking

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amazing. Like, that is one thing that our

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studio is so hot on is, like,

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helping people to feel good about themselves, no matter who they are,

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where they're from, what they look like. we have people of all genders

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and backgrounds. It is Hereford, so it's very white, but we're

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still quite diverse. And that's where everybody comes to

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who doesn't feel like they fit anywhere else in where we are.

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And so please don't let. Please don't let the size

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things stop you, because a wonderful place, that

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won't make any difference. There's, like. They will make you. Yes, it'll feel

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weird to start with, but, like, if they. If they're doing

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what they should be doing, they will make you feel right at home. And you won't be

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the only one either.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, I just, like, maybe that'd be good for me

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because I'm very good at giving others confident and, cheerleading. Others

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are picking them all up. But, I'm not very good at doing it to

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me. So maybe I should do something like that.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Yeah. You will get bruised, though. So. Yeah, if you don't like being

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bruised, then maybe not.

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>> Wo0: I mean, I don't mind it in the bedroom.

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>> Buckers: X rating on this episode, I think.

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>> Wo0: Yeah. I'm so sorry. Maybe we should. Maybe we

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should. Oh, God,

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Vicky, I love you. Thank you so much for coming

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on. It's been an absolute pleasure.

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>> Buckers: Thank you, Vicky.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Thank you.

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>> Buckers: This has been a really, really great chat.

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>> Wo0: yeah, you've been lovely.

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>> Vicky Quinn Fraser: Thanks so much, guys. This is really lovely.

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>> Wo0: Thank you.

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>> Buckers: Bye.

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>> Wo0: That's it for today's episode of Don't Tell Me what to Wear

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