Being Full Of Ourselves: Sophie Lee on The Power of Self-Expression

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>> Wo0: Welcome to don't fucking Tell Me what to Wear or how to

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run my Business. This is the

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Woopod.

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>> Sophie Lee: I think we should be full of ourselves.

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>> Wo0: Fucking right.

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>> Sophie Lee: Why is that an insult? If I'm not full of myself,

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then I'm. I'm empty. And emptiness

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is a very sad place to be as a human.

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>> Wo0: I'm your host, Wendy Gannon, but most people call me

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Woo. I'm a photographer, adhder,

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female advocate, and let's be honest, an all round

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fucking legend. Can you tell I didn't write this

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script?

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This podcast is part of Female5Million, a

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movement founded to empower women to step the up,

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take control and unapologetically own their

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space. It all started

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with some fucking Jean's LinkedIn post

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spouting some sexist about how women should dress

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to succeed in business. And you know what?

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Stuff like that really fucks me

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off. It really fucks me off.

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So I posted about it. And that post ignited

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something bigger. A nationwide photography project,

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a full blown fucking movement. And now this

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podcast here on the Woopod,

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we're raising the voices of women who refuse to be told what to

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do. Women who are done playing by the rules and are now

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saying, don't fucking tell me what to wear or how to run my

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business. If you've ever been told to tone it down,

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dress more appropriately or. Or run your business like a

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man, fuck that.

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Expect raw, unfiltered conversations with women

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who have fought through sexism, abuse and

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outdated patriarchal bullshit to build success on their terms.

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all whilst wearing whatever the fuck they want.

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Oh, and there's more swearing than our producer is willing to

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beep out. Sorry, Buckers. Speaking of

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which, you'll probably hear me ask producer Bacchus to chime in

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from time to time, because like, I give a shit what

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she says. We've both got adhd. We bounce well off each other.

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Deal with it. We're here to

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celebrate women doing business their way and shine a spotlight on

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the incredible ways women are fighting back and lifting each other

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up. Because, to be honest, that's what it's all about.

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And for those who aren't able to speak up right now,

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for whatever reason. I see you.

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Okay, let's crack on then.

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Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the

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Woopod and, the series of don't fucking

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Tell me what to Wear, how to run my business.

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joined today by, obviously, producer

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Buckers and

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Sophie. I am in love with her,

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Lee from Electric Peach. Hi,

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Sophie.

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>> Sophie Lee: Hi. Thanks for having me.

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>> Wo0: I am in love with you.

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>> Sophie Lee: I'm in love with you.

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>> Wo0: Honestly. Like, honestly,

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I love, like, everything about you.

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you're so. You're so wonderful.

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on the last podcast, and I don't know if it's going to be done in that order that

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we've recorded, but on the last

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recording, I told everybody about the

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lemon.

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>> Sophie Lee: The lemon?

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>> Wo0: Have you posted my lemon yet?

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>> Sophie Lee: When am I gonna do that? I was supposed to.

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>> Wo0: I need the lemon.

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>> Annabelle: We should actually hear this from Sophie's side. We should

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hear the story again, but from Sophie's perspective.

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>> Sophie Lee: Okay, go on, M. So it was

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just after Christmas. I was in the kitchen

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sorting, and my husband comes and hands me

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a box. And I thought, oh, is this

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a new present? So I opened it, and he's kind of just standing

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around doing his thing. And, What is this?

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It's. It's a lemon. Like,

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okay, beautiful packaging. What's going on?

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Picked it out. It's like, kind of made of, like,

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latex. I don't even know what you rubber. Like, what

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is it made of? Who knows? or is that kind of like a

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suctiony bit? Like, what the hell is this?

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Figure out that it is, in fact, a

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sucking vibrator. And Craig looks at me and

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he's like, who. Who sent you a

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sucking vibrator? And then we had

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family rounds. We kind of left it. And then later on evening, I

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was like, no, really? Who sent me a sucking

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vibrator? There was no

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label. Like, no note, nothing. And even if there

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was, it would be a really weird thing to receive from really

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anyone that wasn't my husband. He

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starts being like, no, really? Really? Like, what

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is this starting to. Obviously his imagination is going

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wild. Then we did some digging and we

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steamed off the label to see if there was.

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>> Wo0: You actually steamed it off?

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah. And thank God, because otherwise I would have just had that

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lemon. Like, because in this whole journey, we

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were like, okay, this is a really expensive sucking

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lemon. This is like, maybe I've got a really

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bougie stalker. Like, maybe. Like,

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who knows what this is? Then we found a number,

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and, we put it into our phone and

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didn't. Nothing came up. So Craig was like, I'll put it

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into WhatsApp and see whose picture comes

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up. And as he's typing it in,

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his phone suggests that Wendy's number. And it was one

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digit off. So we were like, it must be Wendy. Right?

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Of course. It all makes sense. So at that point, I thought she'd actually sent it

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to me as Chris.

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But in the meantime, I've got all my friends

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on the, like, hunt of, like, who sent me this

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mystery sucking vibrator,

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and like, all kinds of wild theories and turns

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out that Wendy sent it by accident. Sitting.

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I still haven't sent it back though. I keep forgetting.

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>> Wo0: I, I bought that for a reason.

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I need it.

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And if you've never used a sucking vibrator,

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I implore you to get

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one. Like, like,

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have you guys heard of,

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>> Annabelle: Oh my God. It's worth it just to read the

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reviews of a vibrator

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called Tracy's Dog. It's

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like, it's got the sucking bit, but it's also

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got a, like a vibrating bit as

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well. It's like a whole contraption. It

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looks kind of like a pincer claw.

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>> Wo0: Ah, I thought you were gonna tell me there was a

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dog's tongue flapping around.

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>> Sophie Lee: Oh, no. Why is it

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called Tracy's Dog though? I don't like that. that's too

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much.

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>> Annabelle: I don't know either. I'm not. I'm sure there must be some,

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like, story behind it, but honestly, if

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you read, just read the reviews online

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of what people have been saying about this contraption,

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it is worth it. It's,

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it's quite the piece of

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machine.

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>> Wo0: I had a contraption

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that bent in the

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middle, right? So it's a straight

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vibe with a sucker bit on it and it bent, so it also

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went in. Right?

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>> Annabelle: Yeah.

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>> Wo0: that was until my dog got hold of

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it and

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chewed it all up.

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>> Sophie Lee: Oh my God.

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>> Wo0: Sophie, tell us what.

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>> Sophie Lee: Did we even get to the point.

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>> Annabelle: Of doing an introduction with Sophie?

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>> Wo0: Sophie, tell us what are you doing?

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Sophie, tell us what you do, please.

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>> Sophie Lee: Ah, no.

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What do I do?

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I.

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>> Wo0: I'm so sorry.

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>> Sophie Lee: Oh, God, it hurts. Sometimes it hurts

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to laugh.

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Okay, so what do I do? I run. I

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am the founder and director of Electric

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Peach Collective, which is a decentralised

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brand and marketing agency.

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And that's just a really fancy way of saying that we work

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with a, collective of creatives all over

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the country and build our teams to suit

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the brief. And we specifically work with

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the purpose driven businesses, nonprofits,

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charities, NGOs. And

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we've worked with all different sizes

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of businesses. And I personally

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work with founders to help them activate their

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voice, get themselves out there. Yes.

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Yes.

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>> Wo0: Are we gonna be doing it.

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>> Sophie Lee: And become more visible, create more

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impact through having

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influence in the way that they use their voice?

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>> Wo0: I can't wait for that.

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>> Sophie Lee: Me too.

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>> Wo0: I'm so excited about that because

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I, I know what I do and I know who I do

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it for. But sometimes I just

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can't. Sometimes I'm not very good at talking about

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it. So I'm very excited.

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah. It is the hardest thing that

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we all, myself included, that we all deal with, is

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that clarity of our exact

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message of who we are, who we're for, why that

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matters, what makes us different. Also,

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really importantly, specifically for the clients that I work

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with, that burning message

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that they have inside them that they want to

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bring out into the world. And usually when

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we're really passionate about something, it's even harder to

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articulate it because there's so many reasons why we care

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so much. It can become quite

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convoluted.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, definitely. I see that. why did you

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get involved with female 5 million?

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>> Sophie Lee: Well, I'm, a big fan of yours, so anything

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that you do, I'm there like a little weirdo

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groupie. Can I come into your bed?

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>> Wo0: Can I come into your bed this time?

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>> Sophie Lee: And that's not even a lie.

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That's an accurate representation of our

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relationship. that. Well, that. But also

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because, first of all, I think

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it kind of evolved. So from the real

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beginning, I also heard and saw that guy

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talking about how women aren't supposed to show you their shoulders.

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It's like such a. It's not funny, but

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it is funny.

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>> Wo0: It's so fucking ridiculous.

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>> Sophie Lee: Basically, just, it's a joint. Like, mine's been giving me jip

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all week, actually. But it's a joint. It's a joint.

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Like, the fact that it's like. It just

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doesn't make any sense. It's wild how

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sexualized women's joints,

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joints. This

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is a joint.

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>> Wo0: Anyway, let me lick your joint.

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>> Sophie Lee: It's not even that interesting as far as joints go.

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It's probably one of the least interesting.

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>> Wo0: It's not a sexy joint, is it?

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>> Annabelle: Speak for yourself.

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I'm very proud of my shoulder

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joints.

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>> Wo0: Thanks.

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>> Sophie Lee: Shoulder joints, they do as well, to be fair. They're quite

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important. But, yeah, so that was ridiculous. But then

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it really started to morph into all of the

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ways that women are policed. For me, the thing

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that I'm most interested in is actually about

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policing voices, which we

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see all the time. And on LinkedIn, there's

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always someone waiting to jump into the comments or

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jump into the DMs about why you're not supposed

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to say it like that or why you need to be

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this way and not like this and blah, blah. It's always, always

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someone's got an opinion about something. And

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a lot of the time that is women doing it to other

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women. So I don't actually think, for me, that female,

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500. 5 million. 500

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million is.

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Is actually just about the

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patriarchy that is men against women. Women. It's

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actually so much more women against women.

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And in this collective,

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incredible women that you have brought together,

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it's the opposite of that. It's really about lifting each

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other up and sharing our, stories and

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hearing each other and creating space for each other.

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That's the thing for me, that's actually getting me more excited than

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anything else about this project is women

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celebrating other women in whatever way they

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choose to show up in the world.

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>> Wo0: Yes. Like, why wouldn't you. Why

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would you not want to make somebody's

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day better? Why would you want to actually physically go out of

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your way to make somebody feel like shit?

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>> Sophie Lee: This is a good question. But people

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do, and I think people do because they feel insecure.

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And we are conditioned to see each

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other as threats. And that if you're rising, then that

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must mean that I can't, or there's only so much

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to go around. So if you've got this, that must mean that there's

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not enough for me. And it's just about intimidation,

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isn't it? And projecting our fears onto

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one another.

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>> Wo0: God. Yeah. that reminds me of

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people saying that they own,

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like, they own certain strategy,

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work, like marketing stuff, like,

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you know what I'm talking about.

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>> Sophie Lee: Oh, yeah.

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>> Wo0: Like, shut up,

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M. What do you mean by that?

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>> Sophie Lee: There's just, like, there's. There's recently there's

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been lots and lots of

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stories of specifically, again,

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women who have been policing

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other women saying, you can't be talking about

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this because this is what I talk about, or, you can't

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be going in this direction because that's

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where I'm going. And I find it so bizarre

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because actually, I'll give you an example of a completely

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different side of that. There is an incredible coach

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called Laura Brunton. I love her. She's gonna love

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her. She's gonna be my coach coming from

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February. And I said to her, just so you

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know, I'm basically your. Your

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competition, and I want you to make my business

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as seamless running as yours, which is

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essentially me saying, I want you to make me as good

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as you are at what you're doing in this sort of world with

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founders, and are you okay with that? And

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she was like, there's no such thing as competition

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because there's huge amounts of women who

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need our help. I can Only do this much

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for these women, for this many women, because I'm just one

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person. The more of us that come up and have that

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same mission, the more we're going to achieve our mission.

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And that's the thing that I find so bonkers, is that these

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same women who are policing other women are also the ones that

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say they're there for empowerment, they're there for lifting

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each other up. They're there for this mission or that mission.

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Well, you can't be because you don't want anyone else to

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be your competition in your mission, which means that you don't

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actually want your mission to be successful because

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it can't be successful if you're the only person

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fighting for it.

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>> Wo0: Competition in your mission. That's all

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that's going for. Competition in your

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mission. Competition in your

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mission.

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>> Sophie Lee: I don't even know. Is that a real song?

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>> Wo0: It is now.

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>> Annabelle: Sophie, you thought that you were coming to a podcast recording. Actually

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you're in our band now and we're going on

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tour.

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>> Sophie Lee: I love that.

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>> Wo0: Yes.

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>> Sophie Lee: Competition in our mission.

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>> Wo0: Competition in our mission. I can't even remember the

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one we were singing just before Buckers.

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>> Sophie Lee: Me neither.

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>> Wo0: No, anyway, that's good because it was annoying us.

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>> Sophie Lee: Sophie Lee.

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>> Annabelle: Sophie Lee. And we can't work

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out where that comes from.

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>> Wo0: Sophie Lee is coming on the podcast.

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>> Annabelle: we can't work out where the tune comes from. It feels familiar. But

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yeah, we were excited about your arrival and we were

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singing about it.

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>> Sophie Lee: That should be my theme tune.

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>> Wo0: Sophie Lee's coming on the

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podcast.

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>> Wo0: Okay. So what pisses you off

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full stop?

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>> Sophie Lee: What pisses you off about, so many things?

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>> Wo0: What pisses you off about running a business as a

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woman? And what really lights you up and drives

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you?

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>> Sophie Lee: What m. Pisses me off is exactly what

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we've just been speaking about, this

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whole feeling.

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And I'm sure those who are listening will have

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had this feeling before of that

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sort of dread that there's going to be a person,

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maybe multiple people who you've come into contact with

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in your journey as a business person who

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scares you, honestly. And, they

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are, bullies, for want of a better word, they are

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bullies. And they will try to use their influence or

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their standing to keep you

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small. And I see that more

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and more and more because of the rise of self

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made linkfluencers.

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>> Annabelle: So weird.

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>> Sophie Lee: but I see it more and more and more. This policing

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this, yeah, of course you can rise, but as long as you're not

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anywhere near me in my Rising.

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>> Wo0: Yeah.

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>> Sophie Lee: And I'm actually gonna really like use my

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influence to be quite nasty and.

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>> Wo0: Actually steal your photos and use my influence to be quite

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nasty. You know who you are.

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah, well, yeah, exactly, exactly

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that. And do you know

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who I am? That kind of, that whole kind of.

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It's ego. And I, I also have

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an ego. Like I 100%, my ego runs

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my, my business sometimes and I have to really check

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myself. So this isn't like a

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judgmental thing, it's just a

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part of being in business that is such a

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waste of energy. Because actually if we

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all just supported one another and

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championed each other and in rooms when each other

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aren't there, spoke nothing but kind words about each

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other, what a better energy is that for

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everybody rather than this weird

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nastiness. So that's what pisses me off. And then

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what I love is the converse of that is exactly

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that celebration of each other, not just with

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women, all genders,

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of lifting each other up and really having each other's

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back and being that, that

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light when the person isn't in the room to be like, do you

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know what? They're amazing, or you absolutely need to work with

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them or you need to know them or oh my God, I've got this

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opportunity for you. Like that kind of

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electric feeling. I, I just love that. I think

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that's really valuable and special.

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>> Wo0: I fucking love it. I

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love, I love like

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cheerleading people like you've just said, when they're not in the

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room.

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah.

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>> Wo0: And then like, I don't even want them to find out, but

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when they find out and they come, they're like, oh my God, thank you so much.

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>> Sophie Lee: I'm like, oh, it's okay. You're just so wonderful.

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>> Wo0: but like, if I can do something,

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one little thing that helps somebody

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succeed, I'm made up. Like, I am so

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happy.

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah, me too. I just, I, I like that

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feeling much more than, than being self

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serving actually. Because it is that.

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I don't know, it feels so much more expansive

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to see or be part of someone else's success than it

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is just having your own wins, which is nice.

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>> Wo0: Like, like being a moth to a light.

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah.

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>> Wo0: Sorry.

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So what's your experience of the patriarchy things up.

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>> Sophie Lee: I know what you're talking about.

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>> Wo0: Took you a minute.

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Tell me about some of the toxic men that you've come across in your

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life.

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>> Sophie Lee: Well, it started when I was two years old,

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so I was like, how long have you got?

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>> Wo0: Let's see.

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>> Sophie Lee: Of the conveyor belt of

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assholes. Which one shall I pick?

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I mean, what do you want to know? Like, tell me. Tell

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me a category. I'll find one.

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>> Wo0: Okay, let's. We haven't really

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spoken about. And this is kind of where it started. Toxic

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bosses.

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>> Sophie Lee: Do you know what? I have been really,

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really fortunate because I haven't had

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that many, if any, toxic bosses.

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I know, I know. I.

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I had a. My first proper

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boss in the marketing

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world, was an absolute legend, and he's actually

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part of the Electric Peach Collective now. And he

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was brilliant. The guy who ran the

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company. He was a little bit. It was a tech

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company, and I think that's kind of par for the

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course, but I think he meant well. And

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so when I think. When I look at the

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guys, the men who could be deemed as toxic

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bosses, and I look at them with more

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compassion, I actually think that they didn't mean

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to be like that. I think it was. Either they

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were thinking that it was, like, funny

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or they were intimidated in some way and

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it was their protection mechanism. But

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I don't.

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>> Wo0: I feel I get that again.

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>> Sophie Lee: And I. I'm really not trying to, Women bash,

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but in my experience, it's been women

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who've been the ones that have tried

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to keep me down, not the male bosses that I've

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had. They've just been a little. They've just more been, like, a little

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bit confused by me and a little

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awkward as a result of that. Whereas

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I guess in my. The only times I've had some nasty

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experiences have really just been horrible

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women. Not even necessarily bosses

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who have. Who have

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really not liked it when I was

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being my usual quite forceful, sassy

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self and would try to put me back

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in my place.

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>> Wo0: I hate people trying to put you back in a place.

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>> Sophie Lee: I mean, I don't even think I have a place because.

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>> Annabelle: What is your place?

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah, like, what does that mean? Like.

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But that is. That is the experience. It's kind of like you're getting a

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little bit too big for your boots now. You need to be brought down in peg

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or tea.

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>> Wo0: LinkedIn's my place.

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah.

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>> Wo0: And they. And they try and stop me from talking.

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah, they do, they do. But it doesn't work

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because we. We have petitions and then they give

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you. They give you an opportunity to have an actual conversation

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with a human.

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>> Wo0: Oh, my God. So I was banned, like, so I've been

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banned from LinkedIn now 12 times.

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And the last ban.

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>> Sophie Lee: 12 times.

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>> Wo0: 12 times.

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And the last one was because

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they said this was harassment. My friend Sara

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Jane put a Post up. And it

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said, engagement goes both ways.

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So I said, will you marry me? And they

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banned me for harassment,

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right? So I was

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like, I'm getting used to it, right? But it pisses

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me off. It

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pisses me off. Like I got banned for

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saying my. My offer was called bad,

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right, Something. Well, I can't

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remember. And they banned me for

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saying. And I was like, that's loads of.

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>> Sophie Lee: Times in posts and comments and I've never ever had

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anything.

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>> Wo0: There's people effing and cunning all over the place,

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like saying the word and saying like. Like,

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they are fine.

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>> Sophie Lee: They don't know that's what the

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word is, the fuck word.

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>> Wo0: And like, yeah, it's just

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ridiculous. This

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I got, I got an email from them after

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that. Well, somebody called Sophie

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Wonderful Lee put a post up

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going, wendy's been banned. Bring Wendy

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back. And like, fuck me. There was a

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lot of comments, weren't there? How many, how many engagements

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did you have in the end? How many impressions?

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>> Sophie Lee: Like tens of thousands,

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but engagements. I think about 600.

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>> Wo0: What? I don't even get that.

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>> Sophie Lee: I am a person of influence.

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>> Wo0: You are, you're a leaked influencer.

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so like, then they came back to me and they were

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like, actually, we're really sorry.

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Sometimes errors do happen and the

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lot. And the

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last four or five times

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that I've been banned were an

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error done by a human.

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So I've been reported

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or iOS picked it up, it tells you which is which.

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And last time I was reported,

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and then I appealed and then they're like,

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no, it's harassment. And then like

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their boss has now got it and gone. It's not

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harassment. We're really sorry. Would you like a call to

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talk about it? So I've gone, yes, and that

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call is tomorrow my day.

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But yes, it's just, it's

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just like. Because you're all about

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expressing yourself and we are speaking

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at your event on the 30th of January, so it's

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already happened, but there are more. This is coming out in March. So can you

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tell us a bit about your events?

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>> Sophie Lee: Yes. The self expression sessions are,

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different formats and each event in the different

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cities has a different format.

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By the time this has come out, we will have already had Manchester,

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which was a panel format. Brighton, which

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is a talk style format with spoken word,

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poetry, original music.

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There's going to be the launch of Le Netra, which is a punk,

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fashion brand, which is called Fashion for

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Misfits. They're one of my clients. So I was Kind of like, oh, you

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can have your launch here. And she's

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created a fashion line based off of

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a concept that we came up with, which is called Brighton Freaks,

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which is basically about the fringe communities in

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Brighton and they each have such specific

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identities. So she's used those identities as

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inspiration for her, fashion line. Two

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of the people are going to be speaking at the event or have spoken

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at the event in, in Brighton. And the

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idea behind all of them is about

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exploring the many different facets that make

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up human expression from

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the context of, everything from art

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to, whatever kind of creativity means

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to you. So any kind of thing from

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actual, like drawing, creative

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art, or, spoken word singing,

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beatboxing, poetry, whatever it might be.

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Because for me, the biggest thing about self

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expression is when you're a kid, you've got all of

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this energy and, you don't care if someone is telling

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you like, that that's not what, that's not

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good. That, that dance routine I used to always do. I'm rubbish

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at dancing, but I used to always make up dance routines when I was a kid and

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I didn't care if it wasn't good. That wasn't my motivation for doing

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it. And then you become an adult

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and you're constantly told, like, that's not good enough.

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You need to be like this. You need to fit into this

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mould. And nowhere is that more true than in

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the business world. And we take

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this squeezing of our

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brilliance from working in

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for someone else to when we work for ourselves. And most of

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us feel completely lost and totally disconnected from

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our voice. Totally.

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Like, okay, you're telling me that I need to be authentic, but what the

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hell is authentic? Like, who the hell even am I? I don't

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know what I care about. I don't know what my

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joy is. I don't know all of these things that you're telling me I need to

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do. I don't know where to even start.

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And that's kind of the premise behind all of it. And I

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can't give you really a solid answer of what it even is because

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it's supposed to be whatever it is to

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whoever is, a speaker there or whoever is an

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attendee there. It's very experiential. So we

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bring the audience in, do different exercises,

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get them really involved in it. But for

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me, if, if everyone or most people leave

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that event feeling a little bit closer

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to their true selves and their true

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fullness of themselves. Full of

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themselves, then that, that's a, that's A mission accomplished.

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Because I think we should be full of ourselves.

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Why is that an insult? If I'm not full of

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myself, then I'm. I'm empty. And

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emptiness is a very sad place to

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be as a human.

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>> Wo0: Oh, my God, I just love you. Isn't she great?

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>> Annabelle: I just kind of like. Like, really zoned out and forgot that we were on a

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podcast recording. I thought it was just like a TED Talk. And I was like,

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I don't want to be editing.

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>> Wo0: All right. So my mum's recently started posting on

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LinkedIn.

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>> Sophie Lee: She's nailing the story.

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>> Wo0: Cute. Is she? She said, we had a

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zoom before. Like, we had a zoom today. She was going to

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a networking event and she was like, I just don't like talking

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about myself and picking myself up. I'm like,

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why? Well, because that's. We never

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did. We never did. And I was like, mum, I seem to

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remember that you really good at public

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speaking. She went, I can demonstrate anything to

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anyone. I went, well, can you demonstrate yourself

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to these people, please?

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Honestly, She's. I love her so much. My

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mummy. My mummy. Like,

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everyone, everyone go follow my mum on LinkedIn. Because she

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is so, like, she's smashing it.

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She does, right? She. So she's got a

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craft shop that is also the gallery that

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we're going to have the ffm. The first,

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exhibition. First exhibition

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in. My God.

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She also does workshops, so, like, teaches people how to

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do different crafts, like mixed media.

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Zentangle. She wants to take. She wants

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to take Zentangle. If you don't know what Zentangle is,

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we are going to link it.

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>> Annabelle: Zentangle, please, please.

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>> Wo0: It is so good. It's

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like, God, I can't even show

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you. It's.

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>> Annabelle: Is it like string that you have to untangle and it relaxes

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you?

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>> Sophie Lee: That does not sound relaxing.

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>> Wo0: Really weird.

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>> Sophie Lee: That sounds like hell.

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>> Wo0: So what it is, you've got a piece of paper. It's like doing

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patterns, right? So you've got a piece of paper and before you

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start, before you start, you do, like, a mindfulness

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exercise. And I was like, my mum's

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like, it's mindfulness. This is so good. And then, like,

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she'll teach you how to do a Zen tattoo. There's no mistakes in

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Zentangle. Everything is correct. Everything

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is how you like to do it. So it's expressive and

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it's really calming and,

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like, you make all of these patterns and then you shade

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it and it's. And then, like, it's so

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cool. Honestly, you'll love

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it. It's so Good. And she wants to get

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into corporate going, like, on the. On the wellness

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side of things. Like. Yeah, it's her

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dream.

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah. I'm. I'm so into her content. It's. It's

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brilliant to see. And that's the other thing is, like, that's

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what I love. I love so, so much when

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someone realises

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that the things that they love and

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the things that light them up is

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enough, that they don't have to be all of this

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flashiness that they think, oh, I can't be like that person

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or who do I. Who am I to, speak and use my

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voice? It is enough to be

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full of the thing that lights you up and to bring that out

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into the world. That's pure

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joy, isn't it?

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>> Wo0: It's beautiful.

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>> Sophie Lee: It's just the most beautiful thing to watch. And I want to

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see more and more people show up in their

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joy.

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>> Wo0: I. I never knew I wanted to do when I grew

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up. and I've only been doing it for three

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years. Like, it's

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like, I never thought that. I always thought I'd be working in a shop

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or job is a job or works, just work to get money to pay

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your bills, but absolutely not. Like, I am

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so happy in my.

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>> Sophie Lee: Life and you're so good at it and it

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lights you up. And because it lights you up, you

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give all of yourself to it. And

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as then the people who are on the other receiving

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end of that get all of that. So it's so much more

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than a photo shoot and some photos. It's an

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entire experience of you.

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>> Wo0: That's the second person that said I'm

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inexperienced.

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>> Sophie Lee: You are an experience.

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>> Wo0: Scream if you want to go faster.

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I can go pretty fast. Oh, Brilliant.

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I fucking love that.

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So. I fucking love you so much, I could talk to you forever,

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but unfortunately, we have to come to an end.

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what I do want you to do is, Have you got

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a positive example of men showing their

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support for you?

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah, I know loads of great

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men. my husband is one of them.

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He is very, very supportive.

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He is a plumber. He's always saying

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to me, I'm just a plumber from York. He's actually

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from Barnsley, but York makes him sound a bit

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posher.

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>> Wo0: My friend Kev's from Barnsley,

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but m. He.

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>> Sophie Lee: He's really, like. He fully, fully just stands in my

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corner. I. Tomorrow and Thursday,

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I'm hosting a stage at the Better Business

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Summit. Totally random for Craig, but

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he's coming along to support me to, be. To

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get to know other people in the business community, which I really

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appreciate. And he's brilliant.

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>> Wo0: He is brilliant.

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah, he really is. And he always.

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The other thing that I really love is that he always says that I keep

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him guided, but he keeps me grounded, which

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is really cute.

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>> Wo0: I want it. I want it.

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>> Sophie Lee: And I have had my fair share of very bad

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experiences in relationships. So I feel like if

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that's you and you're listening to this, then there is

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definitely hope out there

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for some decent runs. but

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yeah, I feel like there's loads of guys in my. In my world,

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actually. Massive shout out to Adam Baldwin, who

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is a really. I work really closely with him. He

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does web development and he works with me on a lot of

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projects and I was with him last week in Liverpool

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kicking off two new charity projects

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and he is just an absolute babe

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and such a, lovely, lovely guy.

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>> Wo0: He is a legend.

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>> Sophie Lee: There's a lot of really lovely guys.

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>> Wo0: Yeah, yeah, yeah, We've got some coming on the podcast.

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>> Sophie Lee: Yeah.

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>> Wo0: So, Sophie, it's the question that we're asking

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everybody, can you tell us

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one piece of clothing or an

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outfit that makes you feel your most powerful,

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beautiful?

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>> Sophie Lee: My most. I. I

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actually am, a fashionista. So everything

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I wear, apart from everything I wear, everything I

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wear in public, which is, to be fair, I only

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ever go out in public once a month. So,

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like, most of the time I'm wearing my

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pyjamas. But the thing that I am

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wearing tomorrow, I can tell you about that because

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that's the thing I've chosen for my hosting

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hostess of the mostest duties, which

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is a cobalt blue

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velvet jumpsuit.

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And I'm going to pair that

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with a chunky gold neck necklace

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and gold metallic boots.

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And my new bright pink

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nails.

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>> Wo0: Is, like squirting everywhere.

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>> Annabelle: Right now you're, like, describing my

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dream outfit. I. I love a

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jumpsuit.

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>> Sophie Lee: I do too.

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>> Annabelle: Love velvet and I love blue and.

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>> Sophie Lee: I love gold and it's like really like a kind of electric

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blue. And. And then I'll have my signature

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half, one lip pink, one lip

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red. And I was saying to Craig, I was like, oh,

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you know, you're gonna actually get to enjoy the summit. I'm

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gonna have to host the whole time, so I'm not gonna enjoy it as much. And then

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I was like, what am I talking about? I love being the centre of

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attention. Of course I'm gonna enjoy it.

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>> Wo0: Oh, I've just gotta be on stage with everyone

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looking at me, looking amazing in my

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jumpsuit.

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>> Sophie Lee: Down. It's so hot.

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>> Wo0: I fucking love it. I love that. And I know exactly what you're

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talking about. And I. Oh, my God, I love

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you so much. I can't wait to see you.

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>> Sophie Lee: I can't wait to see.

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>> Wo0: And I can't wait till you send me my lemon.

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>> Sophie Lee: Sorry. I actually really meant to do that

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yesterday.

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>> Wo0: I know, I know. Don't worry about it. Do not

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worry. Don't be sorry. I'm

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joking. Ish.

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Thank you. Thank you so much for coming on. I love

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you so much.

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>> Sophie Lee: Thank you for having.

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>> Annabelle: Thanks, Sophie.

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>> Wo0: That's it for today's episode of Don't Tell Me what to

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Wear or How to Run my business. On the Woo pod with me,

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>> Annabelle: Bye.